Solving Quadratic Trig Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the quadratic trigonometric equation sin(2x) + sin(x) = 0. Participants are exploring the solutions for the variable x, particularly focusing on the values derived from the sine function and the implications of periodicity in trigonometric equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss factoring the equation and identifying solutions for sin(x) = 0 and sin(x) = -1. There is a focus on understanding why additional solutions such as 2π are included and how periodicity affects the solutions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the periodic nature of the sine function, suggesting that if x = 0 is a solution, then x = 0 + 2kπ (where k is an integer) is also a solution. Others question the reasoning behind specific calculations and the interpretation of arcsin values, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential requirement for solutions to be within the closed interval [0, 2π], which may influence the inclusion of certain values. Participants are also addressing possible errors in reasoning regarding the arcsin function and its outputs.

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Homework Statement


Solve sin2x + sinx =0

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I first factor and get
sinx(sinx + 1) = 0

sinx = 0
x = sin-1(0)
x= 0
x= π-0 = π

sinx = -1
x= sin-1(1)
x= π/2
x = π + π/2 = 3π/2

x = { 0, π, 3π/2 }

However when I look at the solution this is correct but they also added 2π and I'm not sure why this is?
It seems like for sinx = 0 they did x = 2π-0 = 2π why is this? I thought that if it's zero you obtain your other value through the sin quadrant.
 
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Veronica_Oles said:

Homework Statement


Solve sin2x + sinx =0

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I first factor and get
sinx(sinx + 1) = 0

sinx = 0
x = sin-1(0)
x= 0
x= π-0 = π

sinx = -1
x= sin-1(1)
x= π/2
x = π + π/2 = 3π/2

x = { 0, π, 3π/2 }

However when I look at the solution this is correct but they also added 2π and I'm not sure why this is?
It seems like for sinx = 0 they did x = 2π-0 = 2π why is this? I thought that if it's zero you obtain your other value through the sin quadrant.

For ##sinx = 0, x = n\pi## because ##sinx## becomes zero for ##n = 0, 1, 2, \cdots##
Can you conclude in an analogous way for ##sinx + 1 = 0##?
 
Veronica_Oles said:
x = { 0, π, 3π/2 }

However when I look at the solution this is correct but they also added 2π and I'm not sure why this is?
It seems like for sinx = 0 they did x = 2π-0 = 2π why is this? I thought that if it's zero you obtain your other value through the sin quadrant.
If X is a solution, or X+2kπ is also solution where k is integer. So the solutions of the problem are 0+2kπ; π+2nπ; 3π/2+2mπ,(k, m, n are integers).

Possibly, the problem asked the solutions in the closed interval [0, 2π]. In this case, both 0 and 2π have to be included.
 
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Veronica_Oles said:
It seems like for sin x = 0 they did x = 2π-0 = 2π ...
If they actually stated that in their solution, then that's in error and what you say after that is correct.

However, if it simply "seems" to you that they did this to get 2π, then I suspect that they did not use that reasoning, but merely used the fact that sin(x) has a period of 2π so that if x = 0 is a solution then x = 0 + 2π is also a solution.
 
Veronica_Oles said:

Homework Statement


Solve sin2x + sinx =0

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I first factor and get
sinx(sinx + 1) = 0

sinx = 0
x = sin-1(0)
x= 0
x= π-0 = π

sinx = -1
x= sin-1(1)

You mean ##x = \arcsin(-1)##, which doesn't give you ##\frac \pi 2##. It gives you ##x = -\frac \pi 2##. Your ##\frac{3\pi} 2## below is correct but your reasoning is incorrect.

x= π/2
x = π + π/2 = 3π/2

x = { 0, π, 3π/2 }
 
LCKurtz said:
You mean ##x = \arcsin(-1)##, which doesn't give you ##\frac \pi 2##. It gives you ##x = -\frac \pi 2##. Your ##\frac{3\pi} 2## below is correct but your reasoning is incorrect.
x = sin-1(-1)
x = -π/2
x = π-(-π/2)
x = 3π/2
 
Veronica_Oles said:
x = sin-1(-1)
x = -π/2
x = π-(-π/2)
x = 3π/2

That gets ##x=\frac \pi 2## alright, but if I wanted an angle in ##[0,2\pi]##, I would simply take ##-\frac \pi 2 + 2\pi##, which would give ##\frac {3\pi} 2##. I don't understand your thinking to calculate ##\pi - (-\frac \pi 2)##. On what basis would you calculate that way?
 

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