Why doesn't the Earth collide with the Sun?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why the Earth does not collide with the Sun, exploring concepts related to gravitational forces, orbital motion, and the nature of centripetal force. Participants engage with ideas from physics, particularly in the context of AP Physics concepts like centripetal force and universal gravitation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the Earth remains in motion around the Sun, suggesting that a larger mass would imply a larger force is needed for orbit.
  • Another participant explains that the centripetal force required for orbit is balanced by gravitational force, which is also proportional to mass, thus allowing for stable orbits.
  • A different perspective is introduced, noting that both the Earth and the Sun revolve around a common center of mass, which may provide a clearer understanding of their interaction.
  • One participant emphasizes Newton's first law, arguing that the Earth moves in a curved path due to the gravitational force acting on it, rather than being pulled directly into the Sun.
  • Some participants humorously assert that the Earth does not collide with the Sun simply because it is "not in the way."
  • Another participant points out that the Earth orbits in a vacuum, suggesting that there is minimal resistance affecting its motion over time.
  • In contrast, another participant challenges the idea that no force is needed to maintain motion, asserting that gravitational attraction is essential for the Earth's orbit.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the initial question, indicating a misunderstanding of the context and suggesting that the question may have been too obvious.
  • One participant notes that the thread is nearly a year old, implying that the original poster may no longer be engaged in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the nature of forces involved in orbital motion. While some acknowledge the role of gravitational force, others present alternative views or humorous takes on the question, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about gravitational interactions and orbital mechanics are not fully explored, and there are varying interpretations of the role of forces in maintaining orbital motion.

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I am in AP Physics and we just got done with Centripetal force and Universal Gravitation. I was wondering since for the planets to stay in motion they need to have the same force as the object they are orbiting around. Since a bigger mass means a bigger force, how does the Earth stay in motion around the Sun.
 
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I'm not sure I understand your point. Consider a planet in circular orbit about the Sun. The force needed to maintain the orbit equals mv2/r (the "centripetal" force), so the more massive the planet the greater the force needed. But gravity is proportional to mass, so it works out just right.
 
also, technically the sun and Earth are both revolving around one another, which may be a helpful way of seeing the situation.
or not.
 
I wouldn't look at it like that, that just leads to confusion in my opinion.

Newtons first law states an object will remain still or continue at a constant velocity in a straight line unless acted on by an unbalanced force.

Think of the Earth as originally moving in a straight line, the gravitational force of the sun acted on it, but not enough to pull it straight into it, it pulled it around in a curve, and the velocity stays great enough that it will keep going round and round.

Think of a hammer throw, the object is getting pulled but not enough to go straight to the center, only enough to move in a circle.
 
porky said:
Why doesn't the Earth collide with the Sun?
Because it is not in the way.
 
A.T. said:
Because it is not in the way.
That's the best answer so far! :smile:
 
No force needed to stay in motion.

The Earth orbits the Sun in high vacuum. So there's very little resistance if any to slow Earth's orbit significantly in its billion years existence.
 
crapworks said:
No force needed to stay in motion.
You might want to rethink that. It's the gravitational attraction of the Sun on the Earth which allows the Earth to remain in orbit. If there were no force, the Earth would take off in a straight line.
 
I have definitely misunderstood the first post!

I was thinking since Porky had just gone through centripetal, etc. what's the point of asking the obvious. I thought he's looking for something else:!)
 
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Also realize that this thread is almost a year old. That ship has sailed and porky is long gone.
 

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