Why electric field between two plates ##\frac {σ} {ε_0}## ?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the electric field between two charged plates, specifically the expression ##\frac {σ} {ε_0}##. Participants explore various methods of understanding this concept, including Gauss' law and alternative approaches.

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  • One participant questions the origin of the electric field expression ##\frac {σ} {ε_0}##.
  • Another participant attributes the expression to Gauss' law.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about Gauss' law, indicating they have not yet learned it but plan to in the future.
  • One participant suggests an alternative method of deriving the electric field by integrating the contributions from differential elements of area of each plate.
  • Discussion includes references to educational materials, such as Giancoli's book, which contains relevant chapters on Gauss' law and capacitors.
  • A participant explains that the concept of "infinite sheets" is relevant, noting that the electric field due to an infinite sheet can be derived from Coulomb's law, leading to the conclusion that the electric field between two plates is twice the magnitude of that from a single sheet.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation methods, with multiple approaches and some uncertainty expressed regarding the understanding of Gauss' law and its application.

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Some participants indicate they have not yet learned certain concepts, which may limit their understanding of the discussion. There are also references to educational resources that may not be universally accessible.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about electric fields, particularly in the context of capacitors and Gauss' law, as well as those seeking alternative derivation methods for related concepts.

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Why electric field between two plates ##\frac {σ} {ε_0}## ? Where is that came from ?
 
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Arman777 said:
Why electric field between two plates ##\frac {σ} {ε_0}## ? Where is that came from ?
Gauss' law.
 
cnh1995 said:
Gauss' law.

ohh we didnt learn it.But we will..I guess I should wait then
 
I didnt understans...I will ask in class
 
There is another way of getting the result, by integrating vectorially the field created by each differential element of area of each plate.
 
cnh1995 said:
Gauss' law.
Arman777 said:
ohh we didnt learn it.But we will..I guess I should wait then
In a recent thread you said you're using (or will be using) Giancoli's book. Gauss's Law is in chapter 22 and capacitors are in chapter 24, according to the table of contents which are listed here. (click on the Table of Contents link).
 
Yeah we will learn gauss law in couple weeks
 
When using two plates, they are normally placed very close to each other. The distance of separation is extremely small compared to the size of the plates. This is essentially the concept of an "infinite sheet." An infinite sheet is an infinitely large, charged sheet. Technically, the electric field due to an infinite sheet is: http://tinypic.com/r/hss6jn/9 http://imageshack.com/a/img924/8000/MPvupe.png (application of Coulomb's law). R is the measure of a dimension of the sheet, and its proportional to the area of the sheet. x is the distance from the sheet to a point. Since the sheet is infinitely large, R is infinitely large and is therefore much greater than x, so 1/ (√(r^2 / x^2) +1) becomes extremely small, to the point where it no longer has an impact on the magnitude of the electric field. Since x does not have an effect on the magnitude of the electric field, the electric field has the same magnitude at every point. The electric field then becomes: E = σ/(2ε_o). The electric field between two plates is twice the magnitude, and that's where your equation comes from.
 

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