Why is blood flow rate constant?

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The discussion centers on the constancy of blood flow rate between the aorta and the capillaries/arterioles, exploring concepts related to fluid dynamics, particularly in the context of the human circulatory system. Participants examine the implications of velocity changes and the principles of continuity and Bernoulli's equation, while also considering the non-ideal conditions of biological systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how blood flow rate can remain constant despite changes in velocity in the arterioles and capillaries.
  • Another participant asserts that if there were a difference in flow rate, blood would accumulate somewhere in the system.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between flow velocity and flow rate, emphasizing that flow rate must remain constant in a closed system to satisfy continuity.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of non-ideal conditions in the human body, questioning how cardiac output can remain constant despite these factors.
  • A thought experiment is proposed regarding the forces that maintain flow continuity in the heart, suggesting that the heart's action pushes blood through the system.
  • Participants mention Bernoulli's principle and its relevance to fluid flow, particularly in relation to pressure and velocity.
  • One participant notes that in non-ideal flow situations, energy provided by the pump is used to counteract friction and viscous losses, which may be relevant to understanding blood flow dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle of continuity in a closed system, but there is ongoing debate about the implications of non-ideal conditions and how they affect blood flow and cardiac output. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms that maintain flow rate in the human circulatory system.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the ideal conditions assumed in fluid dynamics, such as incompressibility and lack of resistance, while also recognizing that the human circulatory system operates under non-ideal conditions, which complicates the application of these principles.

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I am having trouble understanding why blood flow rate is constant between the aorta and the sum of capillaries/sum of the arterioles. I keep thinking that in the arterioles or capillaries there is a decrease in velocity and somehow this decrease in velocity will decrease the total amount of blood or time that passes through the total amount of capillaries?

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If there was a difference blood would accumulate somewhere.

The velocity may very well be different but the flow rate is velocity multiplied by area.
 
Orodruin said:
If there was a difference blood would accumulate somewhere.
Or leave the body. Both is possible and dangerous.
 
A.T. said:
Or leave the body. Both is possible and dangerous.
Or life saving in the case of blood donations.
 
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From this discussion, I have another question that relates to this problem.

Say in bernoulies equation we go from a bigger pipe to a smaller pipe, the velocity increases in the smaller pipe to maintain the flow rate.

1. In the problem above, Why does the flow rate stay the same? It seems as if it is due to the ideal condition(no resistance, friction, and incompressibility. 2. also, for the example of a human body, it seems weird that the cardiac output would remain the same when it is not in an ideal condition?

Thank you Orodruin and A.T.!
 
hongiddong said:
Say in bernoulies equation we go from a bigger pipe to a smaller pipe, the velocity increases in the smaller pipe to maintain the flow rate.

1. In the problem above, Why does the flow rate stay the same?
I'm not following: are you sure you aren't still confusing flow velocity and [volumetric] flow rate? Again, in a steady and closed system, the flow rate has to stay the same to satisfy continuity. The flow has nowhere else to go.
It seems as if it is due to the ideal condition(no resistance, friction, and incompressibility.
It isn't. The human circulatory system is very, very non-ideal, but continuity must apply (given the noted constraints against flow into or out of the system).
2. also, for the example of a human body, it seems weird that the cardiac output would remain the same when it is not in an ideal condition?
I don't understand this either. The same as what? The human body is non-ideal and certainly does behave differently from a similarly constructed but ideal system.
 
Hey Watters,

Ahh I see now the difference between velocity which is the speed of flow vs flow(the volume that passes by per time.

I guess my only question now is what forces would keep the continuity of flow(Liters/min)to keep on moving without dissipation in the closed circuit of the heart.

Thought experiment: as the heart pushes the blood, the initial blood then pushes the blood in front of it, so perhaps the heart has enough strength to push out the initial blood against the all the blood in front of it to maintain the flow rate.

Thank you Watter.
 
hongiddong said:
I guess my only question now is what forces would keep the continuity of flow(Liters/min)to keep on moving without dissipation in the closed circuit of the heart.
Fluid flow is all about velocity versus pressure. They are related by Bernoulli's principle.
Thought experiment: as the heart pushes the blood, the initial blood then pushes the blood in front of it, so perhaps the heart has enough strength to push out the initial blood against the all the blood in front of it to maintain the flow rate.
Yes.

One thing I think is important to understand about non-ideal flow situations that may be relevant here is that when you have a pump (or fan) in a steady flow system, all of the input energy is lost. All of the input energy provided by the pump goes toward countering friction and viscous losses in order to maintain the steady flow.
 
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