Why Is My Calculation of Maximum Car Velocity on a Banked Curve Incorrect?

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum velocity a car can maintain on a banked curve without slipping. The user initially calculates a maximum speed of 82.08 km/hr for a car with a mass of 2.3 kg, a radius of 56.4 m, a banking angle of 34 degrees, and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.41. However, this result seems unrealistic, prompting the user to seek clarification on their calculations. It is noted that the mass of the car does not affect the maximum velocity in this scenario, leading to a revised formula for calculating velocity based on gravitational force, radius, friction, and the banking angle. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the forces at play in banked curves and their real-world implications.
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Hi, I've been working on this problem for a while and I keep on getting same answer! Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Problem:
A circular curve is banked so that a car traveling with uniform speed rounding the curve usually relies on friction to keep it from slipping to this left or right.
What is the maximum velocity the car can maintain in order that the car does not move up the plane.(Answer in km/hr).

Radius = 56.4m
Mass of car = 2.3kg
Angle = 34 degree
Coefficient of kinetic friction = 0.41

My work:
N = mgcos(34) = 18.68
Fp = mgsin(34) = 12.6
Fr = (0.41)N = 7.66
Fc = centripetal force = mv^2/r

so here's my final equation to get v:
mv^2/r-Fr = Fp
(2.3)(v^2)/(56.4)-(7.66) = 12.6
v = 22.28m/s = 82.08km/hr

82.08km/hr is so unrealistic for 2.8kg car to bank such a turn.
Heck, even my puny vw golf can't even do it at 82.08km/hr

I must be doing something wrong!

Help me please.
Thanks
 
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stupidpig said:
Problem:

Radius = 56.4m= R
Mass of car = 2.3kg= M
Angle = 34 degree= \alpha
Coefficient of kinetic friction = 0.41=\mu

Given the notation above, the force of friction must balance the centripetal force and weight:

\mu Mgcos \alpha=\frac{Mv^2}{R}cos\alpha+Mgsen\alpha

SURPRISE! the problem has no dependence on the mass M!. :eek: Is it true in real world? :bugeye:

v=\sqrt{gR\frac{\mu+tan\alpha}{1-\mu tan \alpha}}

For velocities greater than this, the equilibrium is broken and car would be rejected on the tangent way.

I wish there were some road with \mu=1/tan\alpha !
 
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