Why Is My Center of Mass Calculation for a Uniform Square Offset by Width/4?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the center of mass for a uniform density square centered at the origin. The user initially calculated an offset of width/4 instead of the expected result of (0,0). The integration process involved defining the total mass (M), area (A), and using the vector r = xi + yj. The error was identified as a misunderstanding of the integration limits and symmetry, leading to the conclusion that the center of mass should indeed be at the origin due to the uniform density and symmetry of the square.

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Homework Statement


To get used to finding the center of mass of an object, I have decided to start with a uniform density square. The square is centered at the origin. The center of mass should be at the center of the square, and thus at the origin.

When I tried to solve this however, my answer was offset by width/4. I've gone through the integration a couple times and I cannot find any errors in my work...


Homework Equations


Definitions:
M = Total mass of the object
A = Area of the object
M/A = The uniform density of the object.
r = Vector from the origin to a point on the object.

Original equation for the center of mass of a 2D object with uniform density.
M/A*int(int(rdy)dx)*1/M


w = The width/height of the square.
A = w^2
r = xi+yj

Inner integral:
Interval: [-w/2 w/2]
int(xi+yj)dy = xwi+(w^2)/4j

Outer integral:
Interval: [-w/2 w/2]
int(xwi+(w^2)/4j)dx = (w^3)/4i+(w^3)/4j

Substituting into the original equation:
M/(w^2)*((w^3)/4i+(w^3)/4j)*1/M = 1/(w^2)*((w^3)/4i+(w^3)/4j) = w/4i+w/4j

That answer should be 0i+0j, but it isn't.


The Attempt at a Solution


Using r=1i+ij instead of r=xi+yj looks like it would solve the problem, but that breaks the definition, since every point in the square is not located at <1, 1>.
 
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InvisibleMan1 said:

Homework Statement


To get used to finding the center of mass of an object, I have decided to start with a uniform density square. The square is centered at the origin. The center of mass should be at the center of the square, and thus at the origin.

When I tried to solve this however, my answer was offset by width/4. I've gone through the integration a couple times and I cannot find any errors in my work...


Homework Equations


Definitions:
M = Total mass of the object
A = Area of the object
M/A = The uniform density of the object.
r = Vector from the origin to a point on the object.

Original equation for the center of mass of a 2D object with uniform density.
M/A*int(int(rdy)dx)*1/M


w = The width/height of the square.
A = w^2
r = xi+yj

Inner integral:
Interval: [-w/2 w/2]
int(xi+yj)dy = xwi+(w^2)/4j

Outer integral:
Interval: [-w/2 w/2]
int(xwi+(w^2)/4j)dx = (w^3)/4i+(w^3)/4j

Substituting into the original equation:
M/(w^2)*((w^3)/4i+(w^3)/4j)*1/M = 1/(w^2)*((w^3)/4i+(w^3)/4j) = w/4i+w/4j

That answer should be 0i+0j, but it isn't.


The Attempt at a Solution


Using r=1i+ij instead of r=xi+yj looks like it would solve the problem, but that breaks the definition, since every point in the square is not located at <1, 1>.

Why are you using r? Since your square is centered at (0, 0) and is of uniform density, the moments about the x and y axes are both going to be zero, so the center of mass will be at (0, 0). You can set up integrals for Mx and My, but you should be able to convince yourself that each integral will be zero, due to the symmetry of the figure and the constant density.
 


I know it will be (0,0). I said as much in the post. I chose this because it is a simple example of finding the center of mass. I don't need to find this center of mass. I need experience finding the center of mass. Starting with known results is a very good place to start.

At any rate, the problem has been solved. (-w/2)^2 != -w^2/4
 

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