Center of Mass w/ variable density

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The problem involves calculating the center of mass of a box defined by the corners at the origin and at (a,b,c) with a variable density given by the equation ρ = ρ₀(z²/c²). The discussion centers around the appropriate setup for the integrals needed to find the center of mass, particularly focusing on the integration limits and the application of triple integrals.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of mass and the integration process required to find the center of mass coordinates. There are questions regarding the interpretation of the integrals and the need for triple integration. Some participants express confusion about the correct setup of the equations and the implications of the variable density.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the integration process. Some have suggested methods for setting up the integrals, while others are questioning the correctness of their approaches and the assumptions made in the calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but the dialogue appears to be productive in exploring different interpretations and methods.

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Participants note potential confusion arising from the variable density and the integration limits, as well as the need to ensure that all components of the integrals are correctly accounted for. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these aspects without reaching a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement


A box with one corner at the origin and the opposite corner at (a,b,c). The density is:##\rho=\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}##


Homework Equations


##r_{cm}=\frac{\int\vec{r}dm}{\int dm}##


The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the mass:

##\int_{0,0,0}^{a,b,c}\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}=\frac{abc\rho_o}{3}##

But I'm not sure what the top of the equation is suppose to mean. Am I suppose to multiply the density by the direction it is changing (z) then integrate? I can't find an example anywhere that explains it well enough so that I can understand.

Thanks for the help.
 
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scorpius1782 said:
I'm not sure what the top of the equation is suppose to mean.
Top (numerator?) of which equation?
Am I suppose to multiply the density by the direction it is changing (z) then integrate?
It asks for the centre of mass, so that requires three co-ordinates. In vectors, ∫ρ(r)r.dv/mass
E.g. to get the x-co-ordinate, ∫ρ(x,y,z).x.dxdydz/mass.
 
so I would need to do:

##\int_0^a\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}x dx##
##\int_0^b\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}y dy##
##\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}z dz##

Am I understanding correctly then?

edit: also, by top equation I meant the position integral. I should just solve these 3 integrals and then divide by the mass then.
 
scorpius1782 said:
so I would need to do:

##\int_0^a\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}x dx##
##\int_0^b\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}y dy##
##\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}z dz##

No, each one is a triple integral, dxdydz.
 
That is
[tex]\int_{x=0}^1\int_{y=0}^1\int_{z= 0}^1\rho_0\frac{z}{c}dzdydx[/tex]
By "Fubini's theorem" that can be written as a product of integrals:
[tex]\dfrac{\rho_0}{c}\left(\int_{x=0}^1 dx\right)\left(\int_{y= 0}^1 dy\right)\left(\int_{z= 0}^1 z dz\right)[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
That is
[tex]\int_{x=0}^1\int_{y=0}^1\int_{z= 0}^1\rho_0\frac{z}{c}dzdydx[/tex]
By "Fubini's theorem" that can be written as a product of integrals:
[tex]\dfrac{\rho_0}{c}\left(\int_{x=0}^1 dx\right)\left(\int_{y= 0}^1 dy\right)\left(\int_{z= 0}^1 z dz\right)[/tex]

This has me confused. It appears like my first equation but with (a,b,c) replaced with (1,1,1) and you've dropped the squares for z and c. Is this suppose to be another method to find the CM?

haruspex,

So, I should have something that looks like:

##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}x dxdydz##
##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}y dxdydz##
##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}z dxdydz##

which would give me ##\hat{x}+\hat{y}+\hat{z}## all divided by the mass I found?

If I understand it correctly now:

##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}x dxdydz=\frac{\rho_o}{c^2}\frac{a^2c^2b}{4}=\frac{\rho_oa^2b}{4}##
so for ##\hat{x}## I would get ##\frac{\frac{\rho_oa^2b}{4}}{\frac{\rho_0abc}{3}}##

Which is just## \frac{3a}{4c}\hat{x}##

Thanks for the help.
 
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scorpius1782 said:
##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}x dxdydz##
##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}y dxdydz##
##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}z dxdydz##
Yes.
which would give me ##\hat{x}+\hat{y}+\hat{z}## all divided by the mass I found?
I don't understand the plus signs. Each integral gives you one co-ordinate of a vector.
If I understand it correctly now:

##\int_0^a\int_0^b\int_0^c\rho_o\frac{z^2}{c^2}x dxdydz=\frac{\rho_o}{c^2}\frac{a^2c^2b}{4}=\frac{\rho_oa^2b}{4}##
That doesn't look right. The dz should still be giving you a factor 1/3.
 
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Ack, I forgot to square the z's for integration. Don't know why I did that. But, I get the gist so I'll be good from here. I just did plus instead of commas.

Thanks for all the help!
 

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