Why is the area of infinite small annulus 2πr dr?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the area of an infinite small annulus in the context of calculus, specifically contrasting it with the area of a disk. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the transition from the area of a disk to the area of an annulus and the reasoning behind the formula 2πr dr.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the area of a disk and the area of an annulus, questioning the reasoning behind the use of 2πr dr. There are attempts to derive the area of an annulus using calculus and to understand the implications of integrating the area.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the distinction between the area of a disk and an annulus. There is acknowledgment of the mathematical derivation leading to the expression for the area of an annulus, and the discussion appears to be productive with participants engaging in reasoning about the calculus involved.

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There is a mention of neglecting higher-order terms in the derivation, which indicates a focus on the approximation involved in the calculus approach. The original poster's initial misunderstanding of the area calculation suggests a need for deeper exploration of the concepts involved.

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When I have a disk with radius r then naturally the area is πr^2. Then I want to do this by calculus and my first step is simply taking πrdr. But the correct way is to take 2πrdr. To me this is really confusing, because I would never take 2πr dr (circumference x width).

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Well, wiki says when you integrate you get this you get the same solution as without using calculus. So the way to remember this is kind of reversed way- you know what is the solution, but you still have to put something into the integral to calculate?
 
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It's not the area of a disk that is 2π r dr, it is the area of an annulus with a very small width. The area of a disk is π r^2. The area of an annulus is π ro^2 - π ri^2, where ro is the outer radius and ri is the inner radius. If the width of the annulus is very thin, then you can take ro = r, and ri = r - dr.
Then A = π (r^2 - (r-dr)^2) = π (r^2 - (r^2 - 2r dr + dr^2)) = 2π r dr - π dr^2. Neglecting the term in dr^2 gives 2π r dr.
 
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bolzano95 said:
Then I want to do this by calculus and my first step is simply taking πrdr.

so, if you want to do using calculus what do you get ?

why not take rate of change of area with respect to change in r .

then write change in area...
 
Thank you, phyzguy, this really helped me! :)
 

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