Why Is the Einstein-Hilbert Action Formulated with L Proportional to R?

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of the Einstein-Hilbert action in the context of general relativity, specifically questioning why the Lagrangian density is chosen to be proportional to the Ricci scalar, R. Participants explore the implications of this choice and its derivation from the metric tensor and its properties.

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  • Participants attempt to understand the rationale behind selecting L proportional to R, questioning its apparent simplicity. They also discuss the derivation of specific equations related to the metric tensor and the determinant of the metric, raising concerns about the factors involved in differentiation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the derivation of the equations and the reasoning behind the choice of L, while others express confusion regarding specific factors in the differentiation process. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and clarifications being explored.

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Participants are navigating through complex mathematical expressions and concepts from general relativity, including the properties of the metric tensor and its determinant. There is a noted emphasis on the conventions used in the formulation of the action and the implications of these choices.

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My notes read:

For the gravitational field, we seek an action of the form
[itex]S[g]= \int_M d^4x \sqrt{-g} L[/itex]
where [itex]L[/itex] is a scalar constructed from the metric. An obvious choice for the Lagrangian is [itex]L \propto R[/itex]. This gives the Einstein-Hilbert action
[itex]S_{EH}[g]=\frac{1}{16 \pi} \int_M d^4x \sqrt{-g} R[/itex]

Why is it an obvious choice to pick [itex]L \propto R[/itex]. This is definitely NOT obvious to me!Secondly, if you look at the notes attached in this thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=457123
On page 107,
where does equation (352) come from? Why is [itex]\Delta^{\mu \nu}=gg^{\mu \nu}[/itex]?
And given eqn (353), how do we get (354)? Did we just det [itex]g \rightarrow -g[/itex]? Where did the [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex] come from?

Thanks.
 
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I address the last part of your post first.

1. The formula [itex]\Delta^{\mu\nu} = g\cdot g^{\mu\nu}[/itex] is just a fancy notation one uses to describe a thing you should definitely have learned in HS: How one computes the inverse of a square (in GR 4by4) matrix. The element [itex]\mu\nu[/itex] of the inverse is equal to the ratio between the determinant of the cofactor matrix for the element [itex]\mu\nu[/itex] and the determinant of the matrix you wish to find its inverse.

2. The g is indeed set to -g, because of the convention that the metric has a negative determinant (the free field limit of g is the Minkowski metric which has the determinant of "-1").

3. The 1/2 comes from differentiating the sqrt of the determinant of g by the elementary rules of differentiation.

4. There's a thread in PF linked to in one of my blog articles in which Samalkhaiat gives an excellent explanation as to why [itex]\mathcal{L} = R[/itex] for GR. Read that first and then I can send you a PM with more literature on the various attempts to derive the HE action.
 
bigubau said:
I address the last part of your post first.

1. The formula [itex]\Delta^{\mu\nu} = g\cdot g^{\mu\nu}[/itex] is just a fancy notation one uses to describe a thing you should definitely have learned in HS: How one computes the inverse of a square (in GR 4by4) matrix. The element [itex]\mu\nu[/itex] of the inverse is equal to the ratio between the determinant of the cofactor matrix for the element [itex]\mu\nu[/itex] and the determinant of the matrix you wish to find its inverse.

2. The g is indeed set to -g, because of the convention that the metric has a negative determinant (the free field limit of g is the Minkowski metric which has the determinant of "-1").

3. The 1/2 comes from differentiating the sqrt of the determinant of g by the elementary rules of differentiation.

4. There's a thread in PF linked to in one of my blog articles in which Samalkhaiat gives an excellent explanation as to why [itex]\mathcal{L} = R[/itex] for GR. Read that first and then I can send you a PM with more literature on the various attempts to derive the HE action.


Thanks. Still struggling with the 1/2 factor though!

Using (353),

[itex]\delta \sqrt{-g} = \frac{\partial \sqrt{-g}}{\partial g_{\mu \nu}} \delta g_{\mu \nu}[/itex]
But if I differentiate that I get a 1/2 but I also get a [itex]-(-g)^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/itex] and I just get massively confused.
Initially my attempt had just been to change all the [itex]g[/itex]'s to [itex]\sqrt{-g}[/itex]'s in (353) but then I was missing the 1/2.
 
You can't blindly change that, because [itex]|g|=\sqrt{|g|}\cdot\sqrt{|g|}[/itex].
 
bigubau said:
You can't blindly change that, because [itex]|g|=\sqrt{|g|}\cdot\sqrt{|g|}[/itex].

Ok. Then I really don't get where the 1/2 is from then...
 
Well, the notes and my reply above point you in the right direction:

[tex]\frac{\partial \sqrt{-g}}{\partial g_{\mu \nu}} = \frac{\partial \left(-g\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{\partial g_{\mu \nu}} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{\left(-g\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}} \frac{\partial \left(-g\right)}{\partial g_{\mu\nu}} = ...[/tex]
 
latentcorpse said:
Why is it an obvious choice to pick [itex]L \propto R[/itex]. This is definitely NOT obvious to me!
Because it is the simplest choice for scalar constructed from [itex]g_{\mu\nu}[/itex] and [itex]\Gamma^\mu_{\nu\lambda}[/itex].
 

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