Why is the general indefinite integral of sinx/1-(sinx)^2 equal to secx?

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The discussion revolves around finding the general indefinite integral of the function sin(x)/(1 - (sin(x))^2. Participants are exploring the relationship between trigonometric identities and the integral, specifically questioning why the result is sec(x).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the integral and express it in different forms, such as tan(x)sec(x) and sin(x)/(cos(x)^2). There are questions about the validity of certain algebraic manipulations and the implications of using substitutions versus direct integration.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of different interpretations of the integral and the relationships between trigonometric functions. Some participants are questioning the correctness of specific algebraic steps and seeking clarification on the reasoning behind the expected result of sec(x>.

Contextual Notes

Participants are encouraged to avoid substitutions and focus on using trigonometric identities directly. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the functions involved without simplifying the expression too early.

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Homework Statement


Find the general indefinite integral of sinx/1-(sinx)^2

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I arrived at tanxsecx(dx), rewrote it as sinx(1/cos^2 x) = cosxtanx = sinx

However, I know that the correct answer is secx. WHY? Can anyone explain why using trig functions (ie, without using u as a substitution)?
 
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sin(x)/cos(x)^2 isn't equal to cos(x)*tan(x).
 
fk378 said:
I arrived at tanxsecx(dx), rewrote it as sinx(1/cos^2 x) = cosxtanx = sinx

However, I know that the correct answer is secx. WHY? Can anyone explain why using trig functions (ie, without using u as a substitution)?

Don't simplify it: just leave it as (sin x) / (cos^2 x) . Now, could you use a u-substitution on

[tex]\int \frac{sin x}{cos^{2} x} dx[/tex]?
 
Dick said:
sin(x)/cos(x)^2 isn't equal to cos(x)*tan(x).

Why can't it equal if you substitute?
sinx/(cosx)(cosx)
(sinx)(1/(cosx)(cosx)
the antiderivative of that gives...
(cosx)(secx)(secx)
 
dynamicsolo said:
Don't simplify it: just leave it as (sin x) / (cos^2 x) . Now, could you use a u-substitution on

[tex]\int \frac{sin x}{cos^{2} x} dx[/tex]?

Is there any way to get to the answer without substituting? What is making my method invalid?
 
Because "tan(x) cos(x)" is equal to (sin(x)/cos(x))(cos(x))= sin(x). You have sin(x)/cos^2(x). The "second" cosine is in the denominator, not the numerator. That is (sin(x)/cos(x))(1/cos(x)= tan(x)sec(x). The integral of that is sec(x)+ C= 1/cos(x) + C which is exactly what you get if you leave it as sin(x)/cos^2(x) and make the substitution u= cos(x).
 

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