Why is the Second Derivative Negative in SHM?

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In the discussion about the second derivative being negative in simple harmonic motion (SHM), the confusion arises from the sign conventions used for direction and acceleration. The participant initially defined downward as positive, which led to an incorrect force equation. To correctly represent SHM, the force equation should reflect the restoring force as negative, resulting in the form that shows acceleration as negative when the mass is displaced. The key point is that the choice of coordinate system affects the signs in the equations, and clarity in defining these terms is crucial for deriving the correct motion equations. Understanding these sign conventions is essential for proving SHM accurately.
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Say you had a spring hanging vertically-- spring constant k. A mass m is attached to it and it's at its equilibrium position, b.
Say, I decide to extend it (downward) such that its total extension distance from how it would be normally (without the mass) is x. Say I take the upward direction as positive. The moment I let go of it, the sum of the forces should be:
kx - mg = m \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}
Now, at some point I'd be asked a question (on a test) that says "Prove SHM".
To do so I have to get my force equation to the form \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} = - \omega^{2} (x-b), yet I can only do this if I had gotten:
mg - kx = m \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}
As my force equation.
Can someone tell me what I did wrong in forming my original force equation? I'd like to clear this up before my exam tomorrow.
Thanks alot.
 
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Pseudo Statistic said:
Say, I decide to extend it (downward) such that its total extension distance from how it would be normally (without the mass) is x. Say I take the upward direction as positive.
Even though you took upward as positive, you still defined your "x" as being downward. You have the wrong sign for \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}. An upward acceleration would be - \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}.
 
Exactly why is \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} negative? Can you elaborate?
Thanks for the reply.
 
Pseudo Statistic said:
Exactly why is \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} negative? Can you elaborate?
When \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} is positive it means that the acceleration is in the +x direction. You defined x to be + downward. (Otherwise the restoring force would be -kx, not kx.)

You can stick with your definition of x, and call down to be postive. In which case the forces would be -kx & mg; set that sum equal to m \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}.
 
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