Why is the volume of a gas bigger during a phase change

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of gas volume expansion during phase changes, specifically focusing on the transition of water from liquid to gas at 1 atm. Participants explore the underlying reasons for the significant increase in volume during this phase change, touching on concepts of kinetic energy and molecular behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the reasons for the increased volume of gas produced during the phase change of water.
  • Another participant suggests that gas molecules have significantly more kinetic energy than liquid molecules.
  • A counterpoint is raised that gas molecules do not necessarily possess more kinetic energy than liquid molecules, as this depends on temperature, particularly in the context of equilibrium between vapor and liquid.
  • A participant questions how to demonstrate the claim regarding kinetic energy differences between gas and liquid.
  • Another participant references the equipartition theorem, indicating that average energy per degree of freedom is similar for gas and liquid at equilibrium, but emphasizes the need to consider the number of modes for a complete understanding.
  • A reference to heat capacity differences between liquid and gaseous water is made, suggesting that liquid water may have more degrees of freedom and thus more kinetic energy per molecule, while acknowledging that gaseous water has greater potential energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the kinetic energy of gas versus liquid molecules, with some agreeing on certain points while others challenge or seek clarification on these claims. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationship between kinetic energy and volume changes during phase transitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the understanding of kinetic energy and volume expansion is dependent on temperature and the specific conditions of the phase change, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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Hello, I would like to know, why is the volume of gas produced during phase change significantly more than the original volume of the liquid being used? Say water changing phase at 1atm.
 
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Gas molecules don't necessarily have more kinetic energy than liquid -- it depends on the temperature. If you raise the temperature past the boiling point, it will change to gas. But below the boiling point, you can have gas (called vapor) and liquid in equilibrium at the same temperature.

The volume of a gas is greater since the molecules spread out to fill the container. In a liquid, the molecules are stuck to each other, so they don't fill the whole container (just the bottom, assuming gravity is pulling them down).
 
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Khashishi said:
Gas molecules don't necessarily have more kinetic energy than liquid
Is there a way to show that ?
 
Ok thank you, both sound correct to me
 
BvU said:
Is there a way to show that ?
The equipartition theorem states that the average energy in a mode is ##\frac{1}{2} kT##. So, the energy per degree of freedom is the same for a gas and liquid at equilibrium. But, if you want a complete answer, you need to know how many modes there are.

Wikipedia has a table here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity
which shows that liquid water has a higher heat capacity than gaseous water at 100C. I think this means the liquid water has more degrees of freedom than gaseous water, and therefore contains more kinetic energy per molecule. Of course, gaseous water has more potential energy than liquid water.
 

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