Why Is There Disagreement on Entropy in Irreversible Adiabatic Processes?

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Disagreement on irreversible adiabatic entropy determination often arises from misunderstandings of the Clausius inequality and the nature of entropy changes in irreversible processes. An irreversible adiabatic expansion indeed increases the total entropy of an isolated system or the universe, as stated by the second law of thermodynamics. While it is possible for the entropy change of a system to be negative during an irreversible process, this is offset by a greater positive change in the entropy of the environment, ensuring that the total entropy still increases. The confusion may stem from classroom discussions that label certain processes as non-spontaneous, which can mislead interpretations of entropy changes. Understanding that the total entropy must account for both system and environment clarifies these discrepancies.
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Why does there tend to be disagreement on an irreversible adiabat entropy determination? Doesn't an irreversible adiabatic expansion increase the entropy of a system by the Clausius inequality?
 
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Total entropy of an isolated system or of Universe increases when the isolated system or universe undergoes irreversible adiabatic process.
 
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Total entropy of an isolated system or of Universe increases when the isolated system or universe undergoes irreversible adiabatic process.
That's what I've thought. It can be proved by determining entropy through a reversible cycle. However, in class, it was mentioned on an assignment that the delta S is negative and not spontaneous. Which again, does not make sense
 
I do not understand what is meant by spontaneous but for any process the change in entropy of a system can be negative but then the change in entropy of environment will be positive and greater in magnitude of the change for system, for an irreversible process.
 
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