Why Is There Voltage Across an Open Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of voltage across an open circuit, specifically addressing the potential difference between two points labeled as grounds in a circuit diagram. Participants explore the implications of grounding in electrical circuits, voltage division, and the conditions under which voltage can be measured across components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the potential difference between two grounds can be expressed with the equation AB = X + Z, where Z is the voltage source and X is a node in the circuit.
  • Another participant asserts that if the grounds are connected, they should be at the same potential, leading to a difference of zero.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if the ground symbols represent test points that are not connected, the voltage difference would correspond to the potential across a resistor in the circuit.
  • One participant calculates the voltage across a resistor using the voltage divider rule, indicating that there is no voltage across another resistor due to the absence of current.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the interpretation of the ground symbols, with one participant stating that they are actually terminal outputs rather than true grounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the grounds in the circuit and the implications for voltage measurement. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the circuit diagram or the validity of the initial equation presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding the definition of ground in the context of the circuit, as well as the conditions under which voltage can be measured across components. The discussion remains open to interpretation based on the circuit's configuration.

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Individuals interested in electrical engineering, circuit analysis, and the principles of voltage and grounding in circuits may find this discussion relevant.

Ry122
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The potential difference between the two grounds in this circuit can be determined
with the equation

AB = X + Z

where z is the voltage source and x is the node at the top of the circuit, and AB
is the potential difference between the two grounds.

Could someone please explain to me why this is the case?


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Ground is ground. They are at the same potential (assuming they are connected which is what the ground symbol means). Hence the difference is zero.

Why would it be otherwise?
 
If the ground symbols you are showing are just points where a potential is taken (test points that are not connected), the difference would be the potential across R3 (R2 in the picture below).

voldiv.gif


http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/voldiv.html"
 
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In your circuit, the voltage across R3 is

V * {R3 / (R3 + R2)}

This is normal voltage divider action.

There is no voltage across R1 because there is no current flowing in it. So, the voltage at each end of this resistor must be the same.

So, the output voltage is the same as the voltage across R3.

The equation in your post doesn't seem to be true.
 
The two grounds are just supposed to be terminal outputs actually. Sorry about that.
 
Ry122 said:
The two grounds are just supposed to be terminal outputs actually. Sorry about that.

exactly :) You have 1 "ground" the negative rail fron the supply labelled V

you have the positive rail labelled V1. DONT confuse the 2 arrows pointing away to the right as "ground connections". They are just arrows indicating output/ onward connection to further circuitry

Have a look at these that I quickly drew up :)

attachment.php?attachmentid=36592&stc=1&d=1308545866.gif


cheers
Dave
 

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