Why isn't electricity flowing through this wire?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electricity in circuits with resistors and wires of varying resistance. Participants explore why electricity does not flow through certain sections of a circuit and the implications of resistance on current flow. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and practical implications.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that current flows through the path of least resistance, suggesting that in a circuit with no resistance, all current would flow through the wire.
  • Others propose that adding a resistor with less resistance than another section would still allow current to flow through both sections, but with different amounts of current.
  • There is a question about why section 2 does not have any current when it has more resistance compared to section 1, despite the expectation that it would have less current rather than zero.
  • Some participants assert that current must flow through both sections, but that the section with less resistance will carry more current.
  • A later reply introduces the concept that there is some current in section 2, and discusses the relationship between current and resistance using specific resistance values and calculations.
  • One participant emphasizes that the assumption of no resistance in wires leads to the conclusion that all current flows through the short, while in reality, wires have finite resistance allowing current to flow through each branch.
  • Another participant explains that if the voltages at both ends of a wire are the same, the current will be zero, reinforcing the idea that short-circuiting affects current flow.
  • One suggestion is made to look up "Current Divider" for a quantitative explanation of the current distribution in circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of current in circuits with resistors and wires. There is no consensus on the implications of resistance in the wires or the conditions under which current flows through different sections.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss assumptions regarding resistance in wires, the impact of short circuits, and the mathematical relationships governing current flow. There are unresolved aspects regarding the practical implications of these assumptions.

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In the top circuit, electricity doesn't flow through section 2, but it does in section 1.
In the bottom circuit however, electricity flows through both sections 3 and 4. Why does
simply adding a resistor stop the flow of electricity in 2?

Much appreciated!
 
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current will flow through the easiest path ( without resistance) or with less resistance and as the wire doesn't have any resistance, all the current will flow through it.
 
jafferrox said:
current will flow through the easiest path ( without resistance) or with less resistance and as the wire doesn't have any resistance, all the current will flow through it.

In the top circuit, if I add a resistor to section 1 that has less resistance than section 2, electricity will still flow through both, won't it?
 
yeh it will, but the one with more resistance will have less current flowing through it.
 
jafferrox said:
yeh it will, but the one with more resistance will have less current flowing through it.

SO, why isn't there just less current (instead of zero current) in section 2 compared to section 1 since it has more resistance?

Thanks for the help by the way, I greatly appreciate it.
 
it's just how it is, because current has to flow through both of the sections and that most current will flow through the section with less resistance.
 
jafferrox said:
it's just how it is, because current has to flow through both of the sections and that most current will flow through the section with less resistance.

im understanding it now. Thank you very much sir.
 
glad you understood it, your welcome.
 
remedemic said:
SO, why isn't there just less current (instead of zero current) in section 2 compared to section 1 since it has more resistance?

You are right, there is SOME current in section 2. The ratio of the currents is the same as the ratio of the resistances; 10cm of wire might have a resistance of 0.006Ω so if R3 is 100Ω and 0.1A is flowing through the circuit, 0.1A x 0.006 / 100 = 6μA will be flowing through R3.
 
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MrAnchovy said:
You are right, there is SOME current in section 2. The ratio of the currents is the same as the ratio of the resistances; 10cm of wire might have a resistance of 0.006Ω so if R3 is 100Ω and 0.1A is flowing through the circuit, 0.1A x 0.006 / 100 = 6μA will be flowing through R3.

yup, but the main point is that the resistor in section 2 is effectively being shortcircuited

Dave
 
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The problem here is one of starting assumptions. If the assumption of the problem is that there is no resistance in the wires (a common assumption), then all of the current has to go through the short. But in real life, there is a finite resistance even in a wire, so a certain amount of current will flow through each branch.
 
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If you measure the voltage at 2 points on a wire without resistance you get the same result. By short circuiting the resistor in section 2 you are making both ends the same voltage.

The current in an element like a resistor obeys the following:

[Voltage (one end) - Voltage (other end) ] / resistance = current

So as you can see if the voltages are the same you get zero current.
 
  • #13
Look up "Current Divider" on Wikipedia. It will explain what is going on quantitatively. If you have a mind for math, this may help you understand better.
 

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