Electrical current question -- electrons moving through wires....

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The discussion centers around the mechanisms of electrical current flow in a circuit, specifically addressing how a wire responds to a potential difference when connected to a battery. Participants explore the nature of electric fields, electron movement, and the triggering of current flow, with a focus on both conceptual and technical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a wire "knows" about the potential difference at its ends and what triggers the current flow.
  • Another participant states that potential difference creates an electric field between the battery electrodes.
  • A different viewpoint explains that in conductive materials, electrons move randomly and are influenced by the battery's negative end, which repels them, while the positive end attracts them, facilitating current flow when connected in a circuit.
  • One participant humorously cautions against anthropomorphizing wires, while also suggesting that a wave travels through the wire when a switch is closed, indicating a more complex interaction.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of characteristic impedance in transmission lines, suggesting that the battery sees an impedance that influences the current flow and leads to a steady state after initial echoes settle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of current flow and the mechanisms involved, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the explanation of how current is triggered in a circuit.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of electrons and the nature of electric fields, which may not be universally agreed upon. The complexity of the interactions in circuits, such as impedance and wave propagation, is also noted but not fully resolved.

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I have a silly question.

In a simple electrical circuit, we know that the two ends of the wire are connected to different potentials of a battery through the load. Potential difference causes the current flow.

But how the wire comes to know that the other end of it, is connected to different potential, so that current starts to flow through it? In other words 'what' triggers the current flow?
 
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Potential difference means there is an electric field between battery electrodes.
 
In a conductive material, the electrons will easily move from one atom to another, and they do this randomly with no voltage connected. If you touch the wire to the negative end of the battery, the electrons (which are negative) repel from that. If the wire is not hooked to a circuit, then they will only repel a short distance before the electrons start to "crowd up" and repel back.but if it is connected thwn they keep flowing and repel the electrons in front of them to move through the circuit. The positive end of rhe battery will also attract the negative electrons. This is my simple explanation of what is happening
 
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mktsgm said:
But how the wire comes to know that the other end of it, is connected to different potential,
Never anthropomorphise wires -- they hate it when you do that... :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Never anthropomorphise wires -- they hate it whey you do that... :smile:
I do agree with that really, but my view is that when the switch is closed, a wave travels from it on one of
mktsgm said:
I have a silly question.

In a simple electrical circuit, we know that the two ends of the wire are connected to different potentials of a battery through the load. Potential difference causes the current flow.

But how the wire comes to know that the other end of it, is connected to different potential, so that current starts to flow through it? In other words 'what' triggers the current flow?
The battery see an impedance equal to the characteristic impedance of the two wires considered as a transmission line. No matter how short the wire, this is the load that is seen to start with. If the load differs from the characteristic impedance of the wires, a series of echoes occur, and they finally settle to the steady state current value.
(Strictly speaking, the initial step function originates at the switch, not the battery).
 
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