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When I hear that mass of a particle has managed to hop through a solid barrier ..it tells me that the mass was a variable and not physical at the time.
There's only one answer to the title question: "How on Earth could anyone possibly imagine that tunnelling is proof of hidden variables?" I expect that we will all agree that that is a completely unhelpful, unsatisfactory, and even insulting answer... I certainly don't think it's a good answer.scifimath said:If you don't want to consider the contents of my post, then just answer the title question?
scifimath said:Quantum tunneling does not say mass hops across a barrier
scifimath said:we can't observe the quantity of mass a particle has while in superposition.
scifimath said:so you believe in hidden variables?
scifimath said:I'm using the one that allows hidden variables.
scifimath said:I don't think anything while in any type of superposition event has physical mass
Everything is always in some "type of superposition", because every quantum state is a superposition in some basis. There is no difficulty at all in defining the mass of something, no matter what superpositions are needed to describe its state.scifimath said:I don't think anything while in any type of superposition event has physical mass.
This and some of what you've said in your other threads suggests that you are still misunderstanding what a quantum particle is. You'll find plenty of non-serious sources talking about how something can be a particle or a wave, or is a particle when it is observed and a wave otherwise, but that's just not what's going on. It is ALWAYS a wave.while the particle is in the form of energy (waves).
It seems that OP thinks that mass is a "hidden variable" because if hiddenly varies during the tunelling.PeterDonis said:I don't know what you mean by "hidden variables".
Nugatory said:Everything is always in some "type of superposition", because every quantum state is a superposition in some basis. There is no difficulty at all in defining the mass of something, no matter what superpositions are needed to describe its state.
Nugatory said:This and some of what you've said in your other threads suggests that you are still misunderstanding what a quantum particle is. You'll find plenty of non-serious sources talking about how something can be a particle or a wave, or is a particle when it is observed and a wave otherwise, but that's just not what's going on. It is ALWAYS a wave.
mfb said:There are interpretations of quantum mechanics without hidden variables, and they describe the observed tunneling nicely. Therefore, tunneling is not a "proof of hidden variables".
There are also interpretations with hidden variables, they can describe tunneling as well.
The different interpretations lead to the same predictions for experiments - you cannot distinguish between them.
scifimath said:What? You can't observe/measure anything while in superposition.
I choose to think outside the box.
scifimath said:Are those "weak" measurements? Do any of them tell you there is mass present besides satisfying an equation?
Let's try another example.scifimath said:Are those "weak" measurements? Do any of them tell you there is mass present besides satisfying an equation?
scifimath said:..it tells me that the mass was a variable and not physical at the time.
Tunnelling, also known as quantum tunnelling, is a phenomenon in quantum mechanics where a particle can pass through a potential barrier even if it does not have enough energy to overcome it. However, this does not necessarily prove the existence of hidden variables. Hidden variables refer to theoretical properties that are hidden from our current understanding of the universe. Tunnelling can be explained by the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics and does not require the existence of hidden variables.
No, tunnelling alone cannot be used as evidence for hidden variables. As mentioned before, tunnelling can be explained by the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics and does not require the need for hidden variables. In order to support the existence of hidden variables, other forms of evidence must be considered.
There is currently no conclusive evidence for the existence of hidden variables. Some scientists argue that certain phenomena, such as the delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment, suggest the need for hidden variables. However, these phenomena can also be explained by other interpretations of quantum mechanics.
Some scientists believe that hidden variables are necessary to explain certain aspects of quantum mechanics that are currently not fully understood. These include the randomness of quantum events and the apparent collapse of the wave function upon observation. However, there is ongoing debate and research in the scientific community about the validity of hidden variables.
The current understanding of quantum mechanics explains tunnelling as a probabilistic phenomenon. According to the Schrödinger equation, particles do not have a definite position or momentum until they are observed. This means that a particle can exist in multiple positions simultaneously, including on the other side of a potential barrier. This probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics allows for the possibility of tunnelling without the need for hidden variables.