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- Does non locality follow from bell tests

I have been thinking about the Violation of bell inequalities , trying to justify how non locality can be determined from violation of bell tests.

I have been through Dr. Chinese page which has partially convinced me that there can be no hidden variables , but I need to understand what is wrong with the following thought experiment , to get better clarity.

With analogy to the Alain Aspect experiment of entangled photon creation, I would like to Propose a Factory which produces pairs of Dice in mass production , very small ones if you would prefer to include QM effects.

As these dice are pumped out of the factory their values are read when they land on the ground.

So let's just look at one permutation , the probability of each die landing on 6. Which is 1/36 or 2.77%.

Now if after many repetitive Measurements I find that this probability has been violated , say we consistently measure 10%.

What conclusion can I make with this.

1. My first and most obvious is that the paired dice are not exactly equivalent, there are slight differences in their creation.

The factory is producing inconsistent pair , one of them is possibly not uniformly dense on one of the sides inside the die.

Although in total each pair does have a consistent total mass when produced , they are not identical.

Thus leading to inconsistent(correlated) readings.

What I'm saying here ,is that it is not a hidden variable , but the value of the variable itself that is slightly different than the other

counterpart die.

Could this analogy not be an alternative to to Entangled photons, if not Why?.

2. There is inconsistency in the way that the dice are being thrown or measured.

I guess in the photon pairs this would equate to fair sampling loophole

3. The dice are some how entangled , and this is a quantum phenomenon.

Which seems to be the case with photon pair production.

How does my analogy differ from the Quantum wavefunction approach of instantaneous collapse, and what am i missing?

Johan

I have been through Dr. Chinese page which has partially convinced me that there can be no hidden variables , but I need to understand what is wrong with the following thought experiment , to get better clarity.

With analogy to the Alain Aspect experiment of entangled photon creation, I would like to Propose a Factory which produces pairs of Dice in mass production , very small ones if you would prefer to include QM effects.

As these dice are pumped out of the factory their values are read when they land on the ground.

So let's just look at one permutation , the probability of each die landing on 6. Which is 1/36 or 2.77%.

Now if after many repetitive Measurements I find that this probability has been violated , say we consistently measure 10%.

What conclusion can I make with this.

1. My first and most obvious is that the paired dice are not exactly equivalent, there are slight differences in their creation.

The factory is producing inconsistent pair , one of them is possibly not uniformly dense on one of the sides inside the die.

Although in total each pair does have a consistent total mass when produced , they are not identical.

Thus leading to inconsistent(correlated) readings.

What I'm saying here ,is that it is not a hidden variable , but the value of the variable itself that is slightly different than the other

counterpart die.

Could this analogy not be an alternative to to Entangled photons, if not Why?.

2. There is inconsistency in the way that the dice are being thrown or measured.

I guess in the photon pairs this would equate to fair sampling loophole

3. The dice are some how entangled , and this is a quantum phenomenon.

Which seems to be the case with photon pair production.

How does my analogy differ from the Quantum wavefunction approach of instantaneous collapse, and what am i missing?

Johan