Why no change of variable to polar coordinates inside multi-loop integral ?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of changing variables to polar coordinates within multi-loop integrals, particularly in the context of evaluating integrals of the form \(\int d^{4}k_{1} \int d^{4}k_{2} \ldots \int d^{4}k_{n} f(k_{1}, k_{2}, \ldots, k_{n})\). Participants explore the implications of such a transformation and the conditions under which it may or may not be valid.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a change of variable to polar coordinates cannot be applied in multi-loop integrals, suggesting that it simplifies the evaluation by reducing the dimensionality of the integral.
  • Another participant argues that the ability to represent the function \(f\) as a function of a single variable \(g\) depends on the specific form of \(f\), indicating that this may not hold true in general.
  • A specific example is provided where a change to polar coordinates is shown to simplify a two-dimensional integral, leading to a one-dimensional integral after integrating over angular variables.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty regarding the application of polar coordinates in the general case of a \(4n\) dimensional integral, questioning the validity of the proposed transformation.
  • A suggestion is made that the question may be more appropriate for the mathematics forum, as it lacks a clear connection to physics topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of changing to polar coordinates in multi-loop integrals. There are competing views regarding the conditions under which such a transformation is applicable.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of the transformation's validity on the specific form of the function \(f\) and raises questions about the interpretation of polar coordinates in higher dimensions.

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why no change of variable to polar coordinates inside multi-loop integral ??

given a mul,ti-loop integral

[tex]\int d^{4}k_{1} \int d^{4}k_{2}....\int d^{4}k_{n}f(k_{1} , k_{2},...,k_{n})[/tex]

which can be considered a 4n integral for integer n , my question is why can just this be evaluated by using a change of variable to 4n- polar coordinates ?

one we have made a change of variable and calculated the Jacobian, and integrated over ALL the angular variables we just have to make an integral

[tex]\int_{0}^{\infty}drg(r)r^{4n-1}[/tex] which is just easier to handle
 
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I don't what specific integral you have in mind, but it depends very much on the form of f as it depends on the k's. You seem to imply that it can be represented as a function g of one variable. This may be true for some particular f, but it certainly is not true in general.
 


for example

[tex]\iint dx dy \frac{x^{3}}{1+xy}[/tex] its divergent if taking the limits (0,oo)

making a change of variable to polar coordinates one gets

[tex]\int du \int_{0}^{\infty}dr\frac{r^{4}cos^{3}(u)}{1+(1/2)r^{2}sin(2u)}[/tex]

integrating over the angular variable 'u' you have now a simple one dimensional integral
 


In general if you have an m dimensional integral and integrate over m-1 dimensions, you will have a one dimensional integral. In your general case (4n) I am not sure what you mean by polar coordinates.

This question belongs in the mathematics forum. There isn't apparent connection with Beyond the Standard Model (physics).
 
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