Wire loop in magnetic field of the long magnet

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The problem involves a wire loop situated in the magnetic field of a long thin rod magnet. The setup includes a magnetic moment per unit volume and a focus on calculating the torque of the force couple acting on the loop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque and the influence of the magnetic field direction on the torque's magnitude and direction. There are attempts to derive expressions for torque and considerations of the geometry involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the directionality of torque and the need to account for varying angles during integration. Others have suggested alternative vector approaches to the problem, noting challenges encountered with certain methods.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need to consider the effective magnetic charge and the geometry of the wire loop in relation to the magnetic field. Participants are also exploring the implications of assumptions made in the initial calculations.

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Homework Statement



The wire loop ##ABCD## is in a magnetic field of the long thin rod magnet with a magnetic moment per unit volume of ##\mathfrak{M}_0## and a cross section ##S##. The north pole of this magnet is in the center of the loop, and the magnet is perpendicular to the plane of the loop. Emf is connected to the opposite edges of the diagonal ##AC## , thus the current I is flow along sides of the circuit. Find the torque of force couple M and its direction.
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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



The magnet field of the long magnet near the north pole one can represent as magnetic field of monopole
\begin{equation}
H = \frac{q_m}{r^2}
\end{equation}




where ##q_m## -- effective magnetic charge, which one can find from definition of magnetic momentum ##p_m = q_ml##:
\begin{equation*}
q_ml = \mathfrak{M}_0 S l
\end{equation*}
thus, the effective magnetic charge is
\begin{equation}
q_m = \mathfrak{M}_0 S.
\end{equation}

The Ampere Force acting on sides of wire loop:
\begin{equation}
dF = Idl H \sin\alpha,
\end{equation}
And, so the torque is
\begin{equation}
M = \int rdF = I\mathfrak{M}_0 S \int \frac{\sin\alpha}{r} dl
\end{equation}
from the geometry ##dl\sin\alpha = r d\alpha##, thus


\begin{equation}
M = \int rdF = I\mathfrak{M}_0 S 4 \frac{\pi}{2}
\end{equation}

The answer in the problems book is
\begin{equation}
M = \int rdF = 4 I\mathfrak{M}_0 S
\end{equation}

Where did I go wrong?
 
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I believe you haven't taken into account the direction of the torque, ##\vec{dM} = \vec{r} \times \vec{dF}##, for each element of current ##dl##.
 
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Ok,I lost sight of that, thanks. In the process of integration one will have to take into account the changes in the angles between the current and the radius vector, and count the direction of torque also. Tedious way.
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Is there a more general way? (I mean using only vectors)
May be, an easier way:
\begin{equation}
\vec M = I \oint \vec{dl} (\vec B \cdot \vec r) - \vec B (\vec r \cdot \vec{dl}).
\end{equation}

But following using Stokes' theorem ##I \oint_L \vec{dl} =I \int_S \vec{dS} \times \nabla## I get zero.
 
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If you look at all the torque elements, you can see that the net torque vector is in a certain direction. So, you can just sum the torque components in that direction.
 

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