Without any loss of generality

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The discussion centers around the phrase "without any loss of generality" and its application in mathematical proofs. Participants seek clarification on its meaning and usage, particularly through examples.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how to effectively use the phrase "without any loss of generality," requesting examples for better understanding.
  • One participant provides an example involving distinct real numbers a and b, illustrating how the assumption a > b can simplify a proof without losing generality, as the case b > a can be treated similarly through relabeling.
  • Another participant notes the abbreviation "wlog" as a shorthand for the phrase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of the phrase in proofs, but there is no consensus on its initial understanding, as some express confusion while others provide clarification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for examples to clarify the application of the phrase, indicating that participants may have varying levels of familiarity with its use in mathematical contexts.

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Hello guys can someone please explain to me how to use the assertion, "without any loss of generality assume...", i find it kind of tricky to use...a simple example would be useful too. :)
 
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Kostas Tzim said:
Hello guys can someone please explain to me how to use the assertion, "without any loss of generality assume...", i find it kind of tricky to use...a simple example would be useful too. :)
Context ? Assume WHAT?
 
Kostas Tzim said:
Hello guys can someone please explain to me how to use the assertion, "without any loss of generality assume...", i find it kind of tricky to use...a simple example would be useful too. :)

Tossing out an example: If a and b are distinct real numbers prove that a^2 + b^2 > 2ab.

Proof:

Without loss of generality, assume a > b [... rest of proof ensues ...]

We can make this assumption because a and b are distinct. Either a > b or b > a. If a > b then our assumption is true. If b > a then we could reverse the labels and the re-labelled assumption is true. The rest of the proof would go through either way. There is no point in writing essentially the same proof twice, once with labels a and b and then again with labels b and a.

The "without loss of generality" phrasing is used to indicate that this sort of situation exists -- that all of the cases under consideration are really just re-labellings of a single base case and that no other possibilities exist.
 
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i understand thanks!
 
Sometimes abbreviated "wlog".
 
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