Work and kinetic energy (dynamics)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between kinetic energy, potential energy, and tension in a dynamic system. The initial velocity at time t1 is zero, leading to zero kinetic energy, while at time t2, the velocity is derived from the radius multiplied by angular velocity, resulting in |v(t2)|^2 = l^2θ'^2. The change in potential energy is calculated based on the height difference, and the change in kinetic energy is expressed as ΔKE = 1/2mv^2. The tension equation T = mgsinθ + mlθ'^2 is connected to the overall dynamics but is not directly derived from the velocity equations. Understanding these relationships is crucial for solving problems in dynamics involving work and energy.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



(1) F=ma
(2.13) W=ΔT
(2.20) (weight) x (decrease in altitude of mass center of body)


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't get where |v(t1)| and |v(t2)|^2 comes from. The book says |v(t1)| = 0, which I suppose is because initially there was no movement, so kinetic energy is 0? Does |v(t1)|=0 have anything to do with T=mgsinθ+mlθ'^2?

Then it says |v(t2)|^2 = l^2θ'^2, and this totally confused me. First, why is v(t2) squared and not v(t1)? Second, obviously v(t2) is somehow related to T=mgsinθ+mlθ'^2, but I don't see how you get v(t2) from that. Also originally θ'^2 was already squared, so wouldn't |v(t2)|^2 = l^2θ'^4??
Very confused on this.

Any help would be appreciated thanks.
 

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|v(t1)| = 0 as no movement at t=t1.


|v(t2)|^2 = l^2θ'^2 because v(t2)= radius x angular velocity. So it is just squared. (I am ignoring the modulus signs now).

For the second part, the change in PE = change in KE

so the height went from lsin(30) to lsin(θ) so the change in PE is mg[lsinθ-lsin30]

similarly change in KE is 1/2mv22-1/2mv12 = 1/2mv22 = 1/2m(lω)2 = ½ml2ω2

Do you understand how they the first part for the tension T at least?
 
I understand where T=mgsinθ+mlθ'^2 came from. But for |v(t2)|^2, why is l squared but theta dot not to the 4th power? I totally don't get this. And PE = ΔKE is the same as W=ΔKE right? Thanks.
 
xzibition8612 said:
I understand where T=mgsinθ+mlθ'^2 came from. But for |v(t2)|^2, why is l squared but theta dot not to the 4th power? I totally don't get this.

Right, for the velocity, they multiply the radius (l) by the angular velocity (theta dot or ω)

so v(t2)=lω so that v(t2)2=l2ω2

xzibition8612 said:
And PE = ΔKE is the same as W=ΔKE right? Thanks.


Yep, same idea.
 
so |v(t2)|^2 has absolutely nothing to do with T=mgsinθ+mlθ'^2? Meaning it wasn't derived from there or anything? It's just something you should intuitively know?
 
xzibition8612 said:
so |v(t2)|^2 has absolutely nothing to do with T=mgsinθ+mlθ'^2? Meaning it wasn't derived from there or anything? It's just something you should intuitively know?

Well the kind of did it backwards in a way.

Normally you'd start with ΔPE=ΔKE

to get mg[lsinθ-lsin30]= 1/2mv22

and it would be better to have everything in terms of θ so putting v_2= l \dot{\theta} is easier.

so you'd get

mg[lsin\theta - lsin30]=\frac{1}{2}ml^2 \theta ^2 \Rightarrow mg[sin\theta -sin 30]=\frac{1}{2}ml \dot{\theta}^2


and if we look at the the ml \dot{\theta}^2 you'd see that is mass*radius*angular velocity squared i.e. centripetal force.

The only way that relates to tension T is from the first line

T+mgsin\theta = ml \dot{\theta}^2
 

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