Work Done/Power/Efficiency on an inclined plane

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a toy car being pushed up an inclined plane. The problem includes calculating work done, power, and efficiency, with specific parameters such as mass, distance, and applied force provided. Participants are exploring the implications of these calculations in the context of forces acting on the car.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by the applied force and question the inclusion of friction in these calculations. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between force, distance, and work, as well as the implications of acceleration on power calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various participants providing insights and calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about assumptions made in the problem, such as the absence of friction and the interpretation of velocity. Hints and guidance are offered, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the conditions under which the car is being pushed, particularly concerning friction and velocity. The original poster mentions limited information and a diagram that does not indicate any frictional forces.

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Homework Statement



A toy car of mass 20kg is pushed up the entirety of a 35m slope, inclined at an angle of arcsin(2/7) to the horizontal. The height at the top of the slope is 10m. The applied force which pushes the car up the slope is 100N, initially, the toy car is stationary.

Calculate the work done, power and efficiency of the system:


The Attempt at a Solution


For the work done, am I correct in thinking it would be the work done by the applied force, i.e.: WD=100x35=3500J?

I'd like to do this 'step by step' so to speak, any help would be much appreciated, thanks!
 
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I only know how to figure out work done.
W = Fd cos θ.
θ is angle of inclination or 16.6°.

Applied force F is 100N.

d or distance should be 35m.

W = 3354.13 J
 
do you not factor in the coefficient of friction for work done?
 
We already know the applied force, so work force times displacement.
I could be wrong however...
:-p
 
Dongorgon said:
For the work done, am I correct in thinking it would be the work done by the applied force, i.e.: WD=100x35=3500J?
Your calculation is correct, assuming the applied force has a direction that's parallel to the inclined plane.

Edit:
The problem statement is a bit vague with regards to 'work done by what on what' and what system you should consider when calculating the efficiency.
 
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Here is how I would attempt at the solution [in step by step process as requested =)]:
Work Done = Force applied x Distance
= 100*35 = 3500J
(In other words I agree with you)

Power = W/t = F x V
We have F is 100N and so we must just find the V.
There is an equation which tells us that on an inclined plane V2 - U2 = 2as
V is the velocity
U is the inital velocity = 0
a is the acceleration
S =35m​
Therefore, V2=2a x 35. So if we find a we can find V and thus we can determin the power.
Now, Newton's second law gives that:
F1 + F2... Fn = ma.
In other words the sum of all the forces is equal to mass times acceleration.
There are two forces acting: the 100N you used to push and the gravitational force of the body falling back (we will assume that there is no friction between the surface and the body)
Using trigonometry and resolving the force vector of weight we get that the gravitational force of the body down the incline plane is:
-F= -mgsinθ
=-20*2/7*9.8
= -56
We say minus because we have taken the direction of the 100N to be positive and replace the 9.8 with some other value if you have been told to use g as something else i.e. 10.
So going back to Newton's Second Law:
!00-56 = 20 x a
a =2.2ms-2
So returning to the the equation for velocity we have:
V2=2 x 2.2 x35
= 154
V = 12.41 (2 d.p.)​
I am unsure about this step, but because the body was acceleating I think to find the power we have to take the avergae velocity which would be:
(U+V)/2 =V/2
=12.41/2
=6.2ms-1 (2.d.p)]​
So we go back to power and we have:
P = F x V
= 100 x 6.2
= 620W

Efficency = EO/EI x 100
EO = Output Energy
EI = Input Energy (Work Done)
The EO, Ibelieve, here is the energy that the body now has as gravitational potential:
EO = mgh
=20 x 9.8 x 10
=1960J
And EI is the answer to the first part of the question =3500J
So the quotient becomes:
η = EO/EI x 100
=1960/3500 x 100
= 56%

This is how I would approach the question, but it is a bit ambiguous and so I have made some assumption i.e g=9.8, friction = 0 and I took the average velocity which may not be the correct way of doing it. In any case, I hope my solution helps despite being very long =)
 
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I'm sure the OP appreciates your work, but the idea is to get the OP to do the work and learn from the process. Hints are welcome if needed, solutions are not.
 
V - U = 2as

Is that correct?
 
Ah, I am terrible sorry, Ill remember that in the future. Should I delete the post?
 
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CWatters said:
Is that correct?

No, it should be V2 - U2! I have gone back and made the adjustments, thank you =)
 
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Dongorgon ...

Did you post the question exactly as posed or does the original question say anything about the velocity?

I ask because as Alex points out there is an issue with calculating the power. As the car gets faster the power changes. If the original question said the force pushed the car "at constant velocity" then friction would be involved and the power would be constant.
 
  • #12
Many thanks for the replies, very much appreciated.
The question only stated that the initial velocity is 0m/s. There's a diagram also which doesn't display any frictional force, or any resistance force for that matter. I was just slightly unsure with the limited information really. Another part of the same question asks 'what are the advantages of pulling as opposed to pushing up a slope, in terms of energy loss.'
Any help on that would be great thanks!
 

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