Work, Energy and Power (Work Problem)

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a man dragging a 50kg sack of flour up an inclined plane to a height of 5.0m, with a frictional force acting against the motion. The scenario includes considerations of gravitational force and friction on an incline, framed within the context of work, energy, and power.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for work done against friction and gravity, with varying interpretations of the equations involved. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of the work formula and the role of angles in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations, while others are exploring different interpretations of the work done against friction. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the direction of forces and the correct application of the work formula.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings about the direction of forces and the implications for calculating work. There is also a focus on ensuring that the calculations align with the physical setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A man drags a sack of flour of mass 50kg at a constant speed up an inclined plane to a height of 5.0m. The plane makes an angle of 30 degrees with the horizontal, and has a constant frictonal force of 200N, which acts on the sack down the plane. Calculate the work the man has dne against the friction, and against gravity.

Homework Equations


[tex]W=(F)(S)[/tex] (Where f=force and s=displacement)
[tex]W=(F\cos\vartheta)(S)[/tex]
**Also usage of SOHCAHTOA to solve the triangle.

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, first I drew a triangle for the problem, and obtained that he travels a total of 10m going upward 30 degrees to the horizontal.
Therefore, I solved it like this:
Against friction, the force is 200N, so (200cos30)(10) = 1732J.
Against gravity, the force is (50)(9.8) so (490cos30)(10)=4244J.

**I am unclear overall if I am doing this right, some help?
 
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As I further tried solving, wouldn't the work done against gravity be the following:

[tex]W_{g}=mgh=(50)(9.8)(5)=2450J[/tex]

? Any ideas?
 
matadorqk said:
As I further tried solving, wouldn't the work done against gravity be the following:

[tex]W_{g}=mgh=(50)(9.8)(5)=2450J[/tex]

? Any ideas?
Yep, that's correct, nice job. Now, calculate the work done against friction. HINT: How much work is done by the friction force?
 
PhanthomJay said:
Yep, that's correct, nice job. Now, calculate the work done against friction. HINT: How much work is done by the friction force?

The friction force does a force of 200N. So, if we plot that into our equation for work, its
W=200s, but its an inclined plane, so the W=(200cos30)(s), where s=10, so when I solve for work, I get that is 1732J, is that right?
 
matadorqk said:
The friction force does a force of 200N. So, if we plot that into our equation for work, its
W=200s, but its an inclined plane, so the W=(200cos30)(s), where s=10, so when I solve for work, I get that is 1732J, is that right?
No. You are correct that s=10. You are also correct that the friction force is 200N. And you are also corect tnat the work done by the friction force is 200s.. But then you incorrectly throw cos 30 in there. Remember that work is force times distance in the direction of the force.
 
PhanthomJay said:
No. You are correct that s=10. You are also correct that the friction force is 200N. And you are also corect tnat the work done by the friction force is 200s.. But then you incorrectly throw cos 30 in there. Remember that work is force times distance in the direction of the force.

Ohh, so the frictional force is solely pushing downwards on the sack, therefore meaning that the frictional force is an upward force, so the frictional force of the object would be 2000J?
 
matadorqk said:
Ohh, so the frictional force is solely pushing downwards on the sack, therefore meaning that the frictional force is an upward force, so the frictional force of the object would be 2000J?
Oh, now your mixing up your directions. Yes the friction force is down the plane. It is not an upward force, it is a downward force. So the man is exerting an upward force to counteract it (and gravity). 2000J is correct for the work done by the man against friction. So what is the total work done by the man against friction and gravity??
 
PhanthomJay said:
Oh, now your mixing up your directions. Yes the friction force is down the plane. It is not an upward force, it is a downward force. So the man is exerting an upward force to counteract it (and gravity). 2000J is correct for the work done by the man against friction. So what is the total work done by the man against friction and gravity??

Well, he does 2000J against friction, and 2450J against gravity, for a total work of 4450J.
 
matadorqk said:
Well, he does 2000J against friction, and 2450J against gravity, for a total work of 4450J.
Yup, that'll do it.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
Yup, that'll do it.

Thanks so much for your help.
 

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