Work energy theorem for falling object

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A branch falling from a 95.0 m tall tree needs to be analyzed using the work-energy theorem to find its final velocity. The discussion highlights confusion about calculating work done by gravity without knowing the mass of the branch. Participants clarify that the work done by gravity can be expressed as mgh, where mass can be treated as a variable that may cancel out in calculations. The final velocity is stated to be 43.2 m/s, and it's emphasized that using the work-energy approach should yield the same result as kinematic equations, despite the problem's restrictions. Overall, the key takeaway is that understanding the relationship between work, force, and energy is crucial for solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


A branch falls from the top of a 95.0 m tall redwood tree, starting from rest. How fast is it moving when it reaches the ground?

Homework Equations


Total work = \Delta K

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to do this problem.
 
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How much work does gravity do?
 
ideasrule said:
How much work does gravity do?

Work is force times distance. Force is mass times acceleration. I need a mass to determine that.
 
How would I solve this problem when I'm only given a height?
 
cdotter said:
... Force is mass times acceleration. I need a mass to determine that.
Force is not mass times acceleration. Net force is mass times acceleration.
How would I solve this problem when I'm only given a height?
follow ideasrule's hint
 
PhanthomJay said:
Force is not mass times acceleration. Net force is mass times acceleration.follow ideasrule's hint

I must be brain dead because I don't get the hint. Gravity does work, yes. But how do I calculate the work to, in turn, find the final velocity? My book says the final velocity is 43.2 m/s. How do I calculate that when I'm given one variable (the height)? It doesn't make any sense.

edit: I know I can get the answer using the kinematics equations (Vf2=Vi2+2ax in this case), but the problem says not to use the kinematics equations.
 
cdotter said:
I must be brain dead because I don't get the hint. Gravity does work, yes. But how do I calculate the work to, in turn, find the final velocity? My book says the final velocity is 43.2 m/s. How do I calculate that when I'm given one variable (the height)? It doesn't make any sense.

edit: I know I can get the answer using the kinematics equations (Vf2=Vi2+2ax in this case), but the problem says not to use the kinematics equations.
Check out your own relevant equations. Work is force times distance (that will give you the work done by gravity once you figure out the force of gravity), and net work is delta KE (that will give you its speed). It must of course yield the same result as the kinematic equations.
 
Isn't work done by gravity m*g*h? Where do I get the mass from?
 
cdotter said:
Isn't work done by gravity m*g*h? Where do I get the mass from?

Don't worry so much about the mass. Let it be m. Just work with the constants and who knows? It might just cancel out. :wink:
 
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l'Hôpital said:
Don't worry so much about the mass. Let it be m. Just work with the constants and who knows? It might just cancel out. :wink:

I always overlook something like that. :redface: Thank you for the help, everyone.
 
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