Work-Energy Theorem rock throw Question

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The problem involves the work-energy theorem applied to a rock thrown vertically into the air. The original poster presents a scenario where a 20-N rock reaches a height of 15.0 m with a velocity of 25.0 m/s upward, seeking to determine its initial speed and maximum height.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the work-energy theorem, calculating kinetic energy at a given height and questioning how to determine total work without knowing the force acting on the rock. Some participants question the necessity of an upward force while the rock is in free fall, while others suggest reconsidering the forces acting on the rock after it leaves the hand.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of forces acting on the rock. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of work done on the rock, particularly noting that the work is negative due to the direction of forces and displacement being opposite.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about forces acting on the rock after it is thrown, and there is a focus on the implications of gravitational force in the context of the work-energy theorem.

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This is the problem:
You throw a 20-N rock vertically into the air from ground level. You observe that when it is 15.0 m above the ground, it is traveling at 25.0 m/s upward. Use the work-energy theorem to find a) its speed just as it left the ground; b) its maximum height.

I drew a free-body diagram with an unknown force F pointing upwards, and the mg = 20 N pointing down. I also found the mass of the object by using 20 N = mg to get m = 2.04 kg.

I know that the work theorem is W(total) = K2 - K1, with K = (1/2)m(v)^2. I figured out K2 with the given 25.0 m/s and the 2.04 kg, which came out to be 637.5 J. Because I'm trying to find the initial speed, K1 looked like this = (1/2)(2.04 kg)(v1)^2. I tried to find out what W(total) was to complete this problem, but then became stuck because, in W = Fs, I didn't know what F was. I couldn't calculate F = ma in the vertical direction because I didn't have an acceleration. How do I go about figuring out W(total) from this information?

Thanks!
 
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Why there should be an unknown force F pointing upwards as the rock is rising?
 
I was thinking there would be a force upwards because it was thrown up into the air.

Is there another way I should be looking at this?
 
hollystella said:
I drew a free-body diagram with an unknown force F pointing upwards, and the mg = 20 N pointing down.
As soon as the rock leaves contact with your hand, the only force on it is gravity (ignoring air resistance, of course).
 
I see...

So then W(total) = (20 N) * (15 m)? Then W(total) would be 300 J. Then I would be able to put that into W(tot) = K2 - K1, find what K1 is and then equate that to (1/2)m*(v1)^2 to find the initial speed.

Is that right?
 
Yes, but realize that the work done on the rock is negative since the force (down) and the displacement (up) are in opposite directions.
 

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