Work needed to move alpha particle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work needed to move an alpha particle within a square configuration of electrons. The initial potential energy (PEo) was calculated as -2.6*10^-25 J, while the final potential energy (PEf) was found to be -2.66*10^-25 J. The work done was computed as W = PEo - PEf, resulting in a positive value of 6*10^-27 J, which contradicts the expected negative answer of -6.08*10^-21 J. Participants clarified that the sign of the work is influenced by the attractive forces between the alpha particle and the electrons, leading to a decrease in potential energy. The importance of understanding the definitions of terms in the equations was emphasized to avoid confusion regarding signs in calculations.
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Homework Statement



Four electrons are located at the corners of a square 10.0 nm on a side, with an alpha particle at its midpoint.
How much work is needed to move the alpha particle to the midpoint of one of the sides of the square?

Homework Equations



W = PEo-PEf
PE (if several point charges) = qo*k*Σ(q/r)
qo will be the alpha particle (2*(1.6*10-19 C))
, and the other q will be the 4 electrons

The Attempt at a Solution


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I use the Pytagorean Theorem to find the original distance from each electron to the alpha particle, and I get (.00707 m). Since all four electrons are the same charge and same distance, I multiple 4*(e-/.00707) and then by k and qo, and get a PEo of -2.6*10-25J. To get PEf, I calculate the distance, but this time since it will be in the midpoint of one of the sides of the square, the alpha particle will be .005 m from two of the electrons, and again using the Pythagorean Theorem I calculate that it is 0.0112 m from the other two. I plug all that into the equation for PE to get PEf, which I get as -2.66*10-25 J (awfully close to the original PE, which seems kinda weird). Then I do W = PEo-PEf and get 6*10-27J of work done, but the answer is -6.08*10^-21 J. I'm not really sure where I went wrong.
 
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fruitbubbles said:
I use the Pytagorean Theorem to find the original distance from each electron to the alpha particle, and I get (.00707 m).
The dimensions are given in nm. 1 nm = 10-9 m.
 
Doc Al said:
The dimensions are given in nm. 1 nm = 10-9 m.
Oops, my mistake. I see that now I'm getting the right power, but I'm not sure why the answer should be negative when my answer is positive. Is it because since the positive alpha particles is getting closer to two electrons (which attract the positive charges), the PE decreases?
 
fruitbubbles said:
, but I'm not sure why the answer should be negative when my answer is positive. Is it because since the positive alpha particles is getting closer to two electrons (which attract the positive charges), the PE decreases?
Yes.
 
haruspex said:
Yes.
I don't understand why..just setting up the equation W = PE0-PEf wouldn't just take care of the sign, since we are calculating the work. Like, why does there have to be..further thinking about it after calculating W?
 
fruitbubbles said:
I don't understand why..just setting up the equation W = PE0-PEf wouldn't just take care of the sign, since we are calculating the work. Like, why does there have to be..further thinking about it after calculating W?
The trouble with just applying equations like that is that you have to remember exactly what the terms stand for. What precisely is W in that equation?
 
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