Y=tanx y'=sec^2x does y' also equal to (secx)^2 ?

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The discussion clarifies that y' = sec^2x is equivalent to (sec x)^2, emphasizing that both notations represent the same mathematical concept. The conversation then shifts to the chain rule, explaining how to differentiate expressions of the form a^u, where a is a constant and u is a function of x. Participants illustrate the differentiation process using logarithmic properties and the chain rule, providing examples to clarify their points. An example problem is discussed, demonstrating the application of the derivative of a^u in practical scenarios. The thread concludes with a light-hearted remark about the nature of mathematics.
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y=tanx
y'=sec^2x

does y' also equal to (secx)^2 ?
 
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sec^{2}x\equiv(sec{x})^{2}
The first is simply a fancy way of writing the square of secx
 
Yes. sec^2x is just the standard way of writing (sec x)^2. It helps avoid confusion with sec (x^2).
 
my textbook also has something about
d/dx a^u = a^u ln a du/dx

what's that about?
 
That's a chain rule use, with "a" a constant, "u" a function of "x".
 
When you have something like

y = a^u

you can solve it as

ln y = ln a^u

ln y = u ln a

Derivating the above we will have

\frac{y'}{y} = u' ln a

y' = y u' ln a

y' = a^u ln a u'
 
I thought chain rule was something like:
d/dx f(q(x))=f'(g(x))*q'(x)
 
It can be derived using the fundamental rules.

Let a^u = y

ln (a^u) = ln(y)

u ln(a) = ln(y)

d/dx(u ln(a)) = d/dx (ln(y))

For the first part, remember the product rule:

d/dx(u ln(a)) = u d/dx(ln(a)) + ln(a) d/dx(u)

Since a is a constant, d/dx(ln(a)) = 0, so

d/dx(u ln(a)) = ln(a) du/dx

For the other side, use the chain rule:

d/dx (ln(y)) = 1/y dy/dx

So:

ln(a) du/dx = 1/y dy/dx

dy/dx = y ln(a) du/dx

Remember that y = a^u, so

d/dx(a^u) = a^u ln(a) du/dx

QED = quod erat demonstrandum = quite easily done. :)
 
That's right:
\frac{d}{du}a^{u}=a^{u}ln(a)
Hence,
\frac{d}{dx}a^{u(x)}=(\frac{d}{du}a^{u})\frac{du}{dx}=a^{u(x)}ln(a)\frac{du}{dx}
 
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Bah, you both did it more fancy :cry:
 
  • #11
so

d/dx (a^2+2)^2=2(a^2+2)*2a
but it also equals
d/dx (a^2+2)^2=(a^2+2)^2*ln(a^2+2)*2a
?
 
  • #12
Cyclovenom said:
Bah, you both did it more fancy :cry:
That's what you've got to live with when you deliver too speedy answers
..:biggrin:
 
  • #13
UrbanXrisis said:
so

d/dx (a^2+2)^2=2(a^2+2)*2a
but it also equals
d/dx (a^2+2)^2=(a^2+2)^2*ln(a^2+2)*2a
?
WHAT?
2 is not a varying function, is it?
Besides, shouldn't it be d/da?
 
  • #14
:smile:

I guess I was confused. Can you give an example of where the derivative of a^u can be used? As in show me an easy example problem?
 
  • #15
I'm not following..used?
 
  • #16
As in do a sample problem, like how I made up the equation (a^2+2)^2 and found the derivative with the chain rule: d/dx (a^2+2)^2=2(a^2+2)*2a
 
  • #17
He means a function, like f(x) = 3^x
 
  • #18
ohhhh, I understand totally what it is used for now... the "a" has to be a number without a variable!
 
  • #19
f(x)= 2^{x}

\frac{df}{dx}= (ln 2)2^x

More generally,

f(x)= 3^{x^2- 3x+ 2}

\frac{df}{dx}= (2x- 3)(ln 3)3^{x^2- 3x+ 2}
 
  • #20
arildno said:
I'm not following..used?

Here's to pure mathematics - may it never be of any use to anyone. :)
 
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