Zero Force Propulsion: A Futuristic Concept?

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The discussion explores the concept of zero force propulsion, questioning whether a vehicle could maintain constant velocity without continuous external force. Participants acknowledge that while initial acceleration requires force, maintaining speed in a vacuum could theoretically reduce the need for ongoing propulsion. However, real-world factors like gravity, friction, and air resistance make complete negation of force impractical. Suggestions include using magnetic levitation and vacuum tubes to minimize resistive forces, but concerns about efficiency and cost remain significant. Overall, while the idea is intriguing, practical limitations hinder its feasibility in current transportation systems.
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What if we don't NEED to use any force whatsoever to propel a vehicle? What if we could negate the net external force and just keep the vehicle going with a constant velocity with the appropriate magnitude? But what could we use to propel the vehicle at any given time and not add any other force as it is moving with a constant velocity(Also, this could stop speeding:D) - as we DO need to brake on the road:P Something not hazardous to the environment, so pollution isn't a problem.. we need something particulate and with a high enough magnitude - any suggestions?

This is all seems too futuristic right now, but just an idea.
 
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I like your thinking outside of the box, but I don't really get your first sentence. How are you going to accelerate from a stopped position. No force = no acceleration.
 
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. I mean, we need to use force to accelerate the vehicle - but then we could stop the external force, thus leaving a constant velocity. there's a lot of gaps, but i think we can work through it:)
 
Vincit said:
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. I mean, we need to use force to accelerate the vehicle - but then we could stop the external force, thus leaving a constant velocity. there's a lot of gaps, but i think we can work through it:)

Drive in a vacuum?
 
I believe that it's impossible for a car to be 100% efficient, meaning that you will not be able to negate slowing forces on a car, which means you will always need some form of acceleration :(

EDIT: Or take Nabeshin's idea haha
 
Yes, nabeshin haha
 
Nabeshin said:
Drive in a vacuum?

Yup, as long as we have to deal with gravity and atmosphere, we're going to need a Force to keep constant velocity.
 
the question is - what is that force?
 
Vincit said:
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. I mean, we need to use force to accelerate the vehicle - but then we could stop the external force, thus leaving a constant velocity. there's a lot of gaps, but i think we can work through it:)
That's just another way of saying Newton's First Law of motion: objects require no external force to continue motion at constant speed.
 
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Have the vehicle travel in a tube in which there is a vacuum .. floating due to magnetic repulsion above current loop superconductors .. at the end of the trip, decelerate the vehicle with an electrical generator and Lenz's Law, so you get back some of the energy that was initially used to accelerate it.
 
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mikelepore said:
Have the vehicle travel in a tube in which there is a vacuum .. floating due to magnetic repulsion above current loop superconductors ..
Once you reach orbital velocity you don't even need the magnetic repulsion for floating. At least, that was Heinlein's idea for a transit system on the moon.
 
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onto something
 
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you need a force to accelerate a mass. and for a car like transport you need to cycle slowdown and go. because you are going allover the town. a futuristic system of cars traveling on rails merging and branching had allready been tested.(powered by elctricity)
the problem with that is cost, just like those fancy magnetically lavitated trains which do have special uses but not general.
 
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In an imaginary world completely devoid of all resistive forces it is reasonable to assume that an object can continue moving with a constant velocity without an external force.We live in the real world where friction and air resistance are present.We can reduce these forces but not to zero.When an object moves with terminal velocity there are still forces acting on it but the resultant is zero.
 
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