Find the area bounded by these 4 arcs

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the area of the shaded region in a figure with four quarter circles and a square. The relevant equations include finding an equilateral triangle and setting up three equations with three unknowns. The conversation provides hints and suggestions for solving the problem, including using a substitution and finding the areas of different regions in terms of equations. Ultimately, the conversation ends with the user providing an incorrect answer and being banned from the forum for not showing enough effort.
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Homework Statement
Four quarter circles were drawn from the four vertices of the square as shown below. If the side length of the square has a measure of 12±0.05, find the area of the shaded region.
Relevant Equations
Find an equilateral triangle in the figure
Can be solved through 3 equations, 3 unknowns
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chocopop said:
Homework Statement:: Four quarter circles were drawn from the four vertices of the square as shown below. If the side length of the square has a measure of 12±0.05, find the area of the shaded region.
Relevant Equations:: Find an equilateral triangle in the figure
Can be solved through 3 equations, 3 unknowns

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As you know, you are required to show your best efforts to start the problem before we can offer tutorial assistence. How will you approach this problem? What sort of integral will you set up? What coordinate system (rectangular, polar, etc.) would probably be best for this problem?

(Or, it sounds like you have been given a hint in the problem that you can use and not even have to integrate?) :smile:
 
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It does look a little bit fiddly. By equilateral triangle I presume they're referring to the one joining two corners to the intersection of their respective arcs. You can find the area of that triangle, and then also the little segment at the end of the sector. Might also help if you give the 3 different shapes in the figure names like ##A_1##, ##A_2##, ##A_3## respectively, or something, so that you can start writing some (3) equations in terms of ##r##.

[P.S. If you get fed up of that, you can just do an integral$$A_{\text{shaded}} = \int_{1-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}} 2\sqrt{1-(x-1)^2} -1 \, dx$$That should yield pretty easily to a sneaky ##\sin{u} = (x-1)## substitution. But technically that's not a hint, because you're supposed so solve it geometrically. So please don't ban me @berkeman 😜 ]
 
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etotheipi said:
It does look a little bit fiddly. By equilateral triangle I presume they're referring to the one joining two corners to the intersection of their respective arcs. You can find the area of that triangle, and then also the little segment at the end of the sector. Might also help if you give the 3 different shapes in the figure names like ##A_1##, ##A_2##, ##A_3## respectively, or something, so that you can start writing some (3) equations in terms of ##r##.

[P.S. If you get fed up of that, you can just do an integral$$A_{\text{shaded}} = \int_{1-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}} 2\sqrt{1-(x-1)^2} -1 \, dx$$That should yield pretty easily to a sneaky ##\sin{u} = (x-1)## substitution. But technically that's not a hint, because you're supposed so solve it geometrically. So please don't ban me @berkeman 😜 ]
i don't know how to get it
 
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Okay. Let the shaded square have area ##A_1##, let the four arrow-shaped things have areas ##A_2## each, and the four other shapes along the edges have areas ##A_3## each.

The area of the square is ##d^2##; what is the area of the square in terms of ##A_1##, ##A_2## and ##A_3##? Can you then write an equation?

Can you do the same for two other regions of choice, e.g. maybe one of the quarter circles, and one other region?

It's a little bit fiddly, but you'll need to show an attempt.
 
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etotheipi said:
Okay. Let the shaded square have area ##A_1##, let the four arrow-shaped things have areas ##A_2## each, and the four other shapes along the edges have areas ##A_3## each.

The area of the square is ##d^2##; what is the area of the square in terms of ##A_1##, ##A_2## and ##A_3##? Can you then write an equation?

Can you do the same for two other regions of choice, e.g. maybe one of the quarter circles, and one other region?

It's a little bit fiddly, but you'll need to show an attempt.
12(1+0.05)
=12.6
side x side
12.6 x 12.6
=158.76

is it correct, sir?
 
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No, that's just the area of the large square. I refer you again to the questions posed in #5
 
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Unfortunately the OP has been banned from the PF because of many other thread starts today like this one that showed zero effort, despite repeated warnings from the Mentors. At least he/she showed a little effort in this thread. Thanks for trying to help.
 
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1. What is the definition of "area bounded by these 4 arcs"?

The area bounded by these 4 arcs refers to the total space enclosed by four curved lines, also known as arcs. This area can be calculated by finding the sum of the areas of the individual arcs.

2. How do you find the area bounded by these 4 arcs?

To find the area bounded by these 4 arcs, you will need to first calculate the area of each individual arc using the formula A = (1/2)r²θ, where r is the radius of the arc and θ is the central angle in radians. Then, you can add the individual areas together to find the total area bounded by the 4 arcs.

3. What is the importance of finding the area bounded by these 4 arcs?

The area bounded by these 4 arcs can be important in various fields such as mathematics, engineering, and physics. It can be used to calculate the surface area of curved objects, determine the volume of a solid with curved surfaces, and solve various real-world problems involving curved shapes.

4. Are there any special cases when finding the area bounded by these 4 arcs?

Yes, there are special cases when finding the area bounded by these 4 arcs. One example is when the arcs intersect each other, creating overlapping areas. In this case, you will need to subtract the overlapping areas from the total area to get an accurate result. Another special case is when the arcs are not complete circles, but rather segments of circles. In this case, you will need to use the formula A = r²(θ - sinθ)/2 to calculate the area of each arc.

5. Can the area bounded by these 4 arcs be negative?

No, the area bounded by these 4 arcs cannot be negative. The area is always a positive value, as it represents the amount of space enclosed by the arcs. If the calculation results in a negative value, it is likely due to an error in the calculations.

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