What Is the Maximum Stretch of a Spring When a Ball Is Dropped on It?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum stretch of a spring when a 100g clay ball is dropped onto an empty pan suspended from it. The initial setup indicates that the pan hangs 50cm below the ceiling, and with the ball placed gently, it stretches to 60cm. The user calculates the spring constant and attempts to determine the additional stretch when the ball is dropped, arriving at an answer of 81cm, which differs from the book's answer of 93cm. Clarifications are made regarding the need to account for the initial extension of the spring and the potential energy involved in the drop. The final consensus suggests that the total stretch should include the initial 50cm plus the additional stretch due to the ball's weight.
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Homework Statement


A massless pan hangs from a spring that is suspended from the ceiling.
when empty the pan is 50cm below the ceiling. If a 100g clay ball is placed gently
on the pan, the pan hangs 60cm below the ceiling. Suppose the clay ball
is dropped from the ceiling onto an empty pan. What is the pans distance
from the ceiling when the spring reaches its maximum point.

The Attempt at a Solution


So first I find the spring constant
mg=kx
k=9.8 N/m
Now we find how much the spring stretches when the clay ball drops on it.
mgh=\frac{kx^2}{2}
h=.5m
when I solve for x i get x=.31m
so we add this to .5m and we get 81cm
the answer in my book is 93cm which is basically off by 10cm from my answer
Do I need to add 10cm to mine to account for the weight of the clay ball.
but it seems that is taken into account with the potential energy.
 
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The ball falls x more than 50 cm.

ehild
 
ok thanks for your post so
it needs to be mg(h+x)=\frac{kx^2}{2}
 
port31 said:
ok thanks for your post so
it needs to be mg(h+x)=\frac{kx^2}{2}

Right. :smile:

ehild
 
its already has an extension of 50 cm so it wud be mg(h +x)= kx^2/2
 
Can i reason it this way as calculated by OP?

If i assume it to be on frictionless surface and given a kinetic energy of mgh.
The spring will extend to an equation of mgh=1/2(kx2)
The weight will produce additional 10cm(given)
Thus total height is 31+10+50.

Any flaws in my thinking.
Thank you.
 
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