Signals and Systems coursework help

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The discussion centers on calculating the power and RMS value for the signal 5 + 10cos(100t + pi/3). The user attempts to derive the power using integrals, arriving at a power value of 75 and an RMS value of 75^(-1/2). Participants emphasize the importance of checking units, particularly in real-world applications, and note that many textbook problems omit unit specifications. They confirm that the user is on the right track with their calculations and suggest that the power for signals in the form of C cos(ω₀t + θ) can be simplified to P_g = C²/2. Overall, the conversation highlights key steps in signal analysis and the significance of unit consistency.
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Homework Statement


Detmerine the Power and rms value for each of the following signals:

a)5 + 10cos(100t+pi/3)

... more signals

The Attempt at a Solution



It's hard to right out integral signs or I don't know the way to do so I'll use I(lower bound, upper bound) to denote an integral


a)P= lim t->inf. (1/T) [I(-T/2,T/2) [5 + 10cos(100t+pi/3)^2dt]

=lim t->inf. (1/T) [25T + I(-T/2,T/2) 100 cos^2(100t+pi/3)dt + I(-T/2,T/2)50cos(100t + pi/3)dt->0

= lim t->inf. (1/T) [25T + 50T {I(-T/2,T/2)cos(200t+2pi/3)dt}->0

= 25 +50 = 75, Rms 75^ (-1/2)

does it look like I'm following the right idea?
 
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Welcome to the PF, Kbob08. To learn how to insert math symbols in your posts, check out the LaTex tutorial here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=151

And on your question, what is the function you've written? Is is a voltage waveform? You can certainly calculate the RMS value if it is a voltage, but you need to know something about the current or load impedance to get a power out of it...
 
Usually in signal books they don't denote any units for these types of problems. Otherwise you would have to do an additional step to make sure the units are matched.
 
Corneo said:
Usually in signal books they don't denote any units for these types of problems. Otherwise you would have to do an additional step to make sure the units are matched.

Well, IMO checking units is important. It sure is important in the real world. So you just assume that the function shows is a voltage waveform into 50 Ohms?
 
berkeman said:
Well, IMO checking units is important. It sure is important in the real world. So you just assume that the function shows is a voltage waveform into 50 Ohms?

Yes I agree your right that checking units is important. I was just commenting that most textbook problems leave out units of the function in question. The meat of the problem for this specific exercise is just performing the integration.

To the OP: You have the right idea and your work is correct. It may help to remember for signals in the form

C \cos (\omega_0 t + \theta), the power is P_g = C^2/2. You can prove this yourself pretty straight forward by performing the same integration you have done and using some trig substitution. Notice that the result depends solely on the amplitude and nothing else.
 

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