Rotational Motion & Conservation of Angular Momentum

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A thin spherical shell on a rough floor experiences linear motion after being struck, with no initial angular velocity. The discussion centers on whether the principle of conservation of angular momentum applies, with some arguing it does not due to external torque from friction. When considering moments about the point of contact with the floor, the net angular momentum before and after pure rolling is examined. The angular momentum about the center of mass is noted to be non-conserved, raising questions about the role of friction. The suggestion is made to use conservation of angular momentum by equating initial and final states to solve the problem.
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A thin spherical shell lying on a rough horizontal floor is hit by a cue in such a way that the line of action of force passes through the centre.so there is no torque and it moves with a linear velocity V and no angular velocity.the linear velo is to be founded when the shell starts purely rolling.
now the question goes whether the principal of conservation of angular momentum is valid here.i don't think so because an external torque due to friction will be acting on it.
[. The shell will move with a velocity nearly equal to v due to this motion a frictional force well act in the
background direction, for which after some time the shell attains a pure rolling. If we
consider moment about A(the point of contact with the floor), then it will be zero. Therefore, Net angular momentum
about A before pure rolling = net angular momentum after pure rolling.]
This is what my textbook says but it makes me wonder.
 
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anigeo said:
now the question goes whether the principal of conservation of angular momentum is valid here.i don't think so because an external torque due to friction will be acting on it.
Note that they are taking moments about a point of contact with the floor. What's the torque about that point due to friction?

The angular momentum about the center of mass is certainly not conserved.
 
Doc Al said:
Note that they are taking moments about a point of contact with the floor. What's the torque about that point due to friction?

The angular momentum about the center of mass is certainly not conserved.
so could u please give me some idea how should i try to solve it?
 
anigeo said:
so could u please give me some idea how should i try to solve it?
Well, how about using conservation of angular momentum, as suggested by your text?

Set the initial angular momentum (when the sphere is just translating at speed V) equal to the final angular momentum (when it's rolling without slipping).
 
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