Infinite dimensional representation of su(2)

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The discussion revolves around the construction of an infinite dimensional representation of the su(2) algebra, specifically examining the hermitian generators defined in a paper. Participants explore the implications of the expressions involving the Number Operator and the square root of N, as well as the validity of the algebraic relations derived from these definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the expression \sqrt{N+1} and suggests it could be interpreted as a binomial expansion.
  • Another participant clarifies that N in J_z represents the Number Operator defined as a^\dagger a, while the N in \sqrt{N+1} is treated as a number, specifically the eigenvalue of the Number Operator.
  • A different participant challenges the reasoning by asking why the author would write the expression next to a^\dagger if N is merely a number.
  • One participant identifies the equations as related to Schwinger's Boson representation of angular momentum algebra, asserting that the N in the equations represents eigenvalues of the operator \hat{N}.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake in the expression for J_y, suggesting that if \sqrt{N+1} is treated as a number, the resulting commutation relation does not hold, but it does hold if \sqrt{N+1} is considered an operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of \sqrt{N+1} and its implications for the algebraic structure. There is no consensus on whether it should be treated as a number or an operator, leading to unresolved questions about the validity of the derived relations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is based on specific papers and definitions, which may not be universally accepted. The interpretation of N and its role in the equations remains a point of contention.

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I'm trying to understand this paper which the author claimed that he had constructed an infinite dimensional representation of the su(2) algebra. The hermitian generators are given by

J_x=\frac{i}{2}(\sqrt{N+1}a-a^\dagger\sqrt{N+1} )
J_y=-\frac{i}{2}(\sqrt{N+1}a+a^\dagger\sqrt{N+1} )
J_z=N+\frac{1}{2}

where the creation and the annihilation operators a^\dagger and a satisfy the commutator relation [a,a^\dagger]=-1 and N\equiv-a^\dagger a.

My question is, what is the meaning of the expression \sqrt{N+1}? So that I can proceed with the manipulation.
Does it means the binomial expression
\sqrt{N+1}= 1 + \frac{1}{2}N + ...?

I have been thinking along that line. How do we show that the representation is infinite dimensional?


ps How do you create the superscript operator dagger in tex?
 
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The dagger symbol is just \dagger. I don't know the answer to any of your other questions. :D
 
Thanks I have done the necessary changes. They don't have the template for dagger.
 
Hi,

I think you are a little confused. The N in J_z represents the Number Operator which is defined as a^dagger*a
Where as the N in the square root is just a number and is equal to the eigen value of the Number operator.

Conventionally, that's what I would think of, when I see the equations you have written
But of course, I haven't seen the paper you are referring to and I might be wrong. :smile:
 
If N is just a number why the author bother to write the expression to the right of a^\dagger .

Yes I agree usually the number operator N=a^\dagger a. But that is in the case of finite dimensional representation.

For your information, the papers that I trying to understand are:

1. Andre van Tonder, Ghosts as Negative Spinors, Nuc. Phys. B 645(2002) pp 371-386.
2. Andre van Tonder, On the representation theory of negative spin, Nuc. Phys. B 645(2002) pp 387-402.
 
What is attempted in your equations is known in physics as Schwinger's Boson representation of angular momentum algebra ( SU(2) in your case. ) TheJ_i are the generators of this algebra.
Therefore, one would conclude that the 'N' in the first two eqns are actually numbers:eigenvalue of the operator \hat{N} = a ^\dagger a, whose spectrum is infact the set of all non-negative integers, denoted by N.
In the third eqn its actually the operator \hat{N}. As u can see it doesn't matter if it is N or, \hat{N}. Both yields the same behavior. If it were a simple number, that eqn denotes (N+1/2)Id, where Id-> identity operator.
 
OK I make a mistake. But it is in the expression Jy. There shouldn't be the imaginary number i. Other than that I think I have copied correctly.

J_y=-\frac{1}{2}(\sqrt{N+1}a+a^\dagger\sqrt{N+1} )

If it true that \sqrt{N+1} is just a number then

[J_x , J_y]=-\frac{i(N+1)}{4}[a , a^\dagger] = \frac{i(N+1)}{4}.

which is not equivalent to the su(2) algebra [J_x , J_y]=iJ_z.


However if I assume \sqrt{N+1} to be an operator I'm able to verify the relation [J_x , J_y]=iJ_z.
 

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