Human Carbon Dioxide Emissions Reverse 2000 Years of Arctic Cooling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the impact of human carbon dioxide emissions on Arctic temperatures, particularly in the context of historical cooling trends over the last 2,000 years. Participants explore the interplay between natural climate cycles and anthropogenic influences, examining both theoretical and observational aspects of climate change in the Arctic region.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study indicating that Arctic temperatures in the 1990s were the warmest in 2,000 years, attributing this to greenhouse gas emissions overpowering natural cooling patterns.
  • Others argue that the dry Arctic atmosphere allows for different absorption characteristics of CO2 compared to other regions, suggesting this contributes to Arctic amplification.
  • A participant discusses a cyclical 21,000-year wobble in Earth's tilt that has historically contributed to cooling in the Arctic, noting that this natural cycle has been overwhelmed by human-induced warming in the 20th century.
  • There is mention of the increase in summer temperatures in the Arctic by 1.4 degrees Celsius due to human activities, despite ongoing natural cooling trends.
  • Some participants highlight that while CO2 contributes to long-term warming, its immediate impact is small compared to short-term climate variability caused by phenomena like El Niño and La Niña.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the significance and mechanisms of human-induced warming versus natural climate cycles. There is no consensus on the extent of the impact of CO2 emissions relative to natural factors, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the interactions between greenhouse gases and climate, including the limitations of current models and the need for further research to clarify the contributions of various factors to Arctic warming.

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http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/arctic2k.jsp

Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reached their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, new research indicates. The study, which incorporates geologic records and computer simulations, provides new evidence that the Arctic would be cooling if not for greenhouse gas emissions that are overpowering natural climate patterns.

The associated albedo flip will amplify the warming.
 
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One of the arguments against AGW causing problems is that the spectra where CO2 absorbs IR is saturated by water absorbing. This is not a problem with the arctic atmosphere. Its too dry.

This is not the only source of Arctic amplificaiton but it is one of them.
 
The new study is the first to quantify a pervasive cooling across the Arctic on a decade-by-decade basis that is related to an approximately 21,000-year cyclical wobble in Earth's tilt relative to the Sun. Over the last 7,000 years, the timing of Earth's closest pass by the Sun has shifted from September to January. This has gradually reduced the intensity of sunlight reaching the Arctic in summertime, when Earth is farther from the Sun.

The research team's temperature analysis shows that summer temperatures in the Arctic, in step with the reduced energy from the Sun, cooled at an average rate of about 0.2 degrees Celsius (about .36 degrees Fahrenheit) per thousand years. The temperatures eventually bottomed out during the "Little Ice Age," a period of widespread cooling that lasted roughly from the 16th to the mid-19th centuries.

Even though the orbital cycle that produced the cooling continued, it was overwhelmed in the 20th century by human-induced warming. The result was summer temperatures in the Arctic by the year 2000 that were about 1.4 degrees C (2.5 degrees F) higher than would have been expected from the continued cyclical cooling alone.

"If it hadn't been for the increase in human-produced greenhouse gases, summer temperatures in the Arctic should have cooled gradually over the last century," says Bette Otto-Bliesner, an NCAR scientist who participated in the study.

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So, while "Global Warming" did not offically start until about 1950, "Artic Warming" started far sooner.

Could we call it around 1900?
 

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dorlomin said:
One of the arguments against AGW causing problems is that the spectra where CO2 absorbs IR is saturated by water absorbing. This is not a problem with the arctic atmosphere. Its too dry.

This is not the only source of Arctic amplificaiton but it is one of them.

CO2 does not have an instantaneous effect. The reason CO2 has an effect on climate is due to the fact that it is a long lived greenhouse gas.
 
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Currently the ongoing increase of CO2 in the atmosphere is contributing about 0.015C/year to average annual global temperatures. This value is so small that it is hardly noticeable.

El Nino an La Nina on the other hand can swing global temperatures about 0.3C within a year or two. So, while CO2 additions do have a long term impact, it can be easily overwhelmed in the short term. It takes about 20 years of CO2 addition (at current rates) to approximately equal the amount of temperature swing we see from El Nino/La Nina (0.3/0.015).
 

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