Two problems with random variables transformations

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The discussion revolves around transformations of random variables, specifically focusing on two problems involving the density and cumulative distribution functions of transformed variables. The subject area includes probability theory and random variable transformations.

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  • Participants explore the injectivity of functions in the context of transformations and question the validity of their approaches to finding density functions. There is discussion about interpreting cumulative distribution functions and the potential use of conditional probabilities. Some participants suggest completing the square as a method for simplification.

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Several participants have provided insights and alternative approaches to the problems, particularly regarding the first exercise's injectivity and the interpretation of the second exercise. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the cumulative distribution function as a step function and the implications of combining continuous and discrete distributions.

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Participants note difficulties with notation and the clarity of the problem statements, particularly in the second exercise. There is mention of Dirac delta functions in relation to the distribution of Y, indicating a blend of continuous and discrete elements in the problem.

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Homework Statement



[1] A random variable X is distributed as fX(x) = 1/9*(1+x)^2 1{-1<= x<= 2}.

a) Find the density function of Y = -X^2 + X + 2.
b) Find the cummulative distribution function of Y = X1{-1<=X<=1} + 1{X>=1}

[2] Find the function that transforms a variable X with fX(x) = e^(-x) 1{x>0} into a variable Y with fY(y) = 31{0<=y<=1/4} + 1/31{1/4<y<1}.

The Attempt at a Solution



The problem with exercise 1 is that the functions aren't injective in the domain of X. My first guess with a) was to use equivalent events:

FY(y) = P(Y<=y) = P(-X^2 + X + 2 <= y)
FY(y) = P(-X^2 + X + 2 - y<=0) = P(X \le \frac{1}{2} - \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}) + P(X \ge \frac{1}{2} + \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2})

Then, taking into account that X is absolutely continuous:

FY(y) = P(X \le \frac{1}{2} - \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}) + (1 - P(X \le \frac{1}{2} + \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}))

FY(y) = FX(\frac{1}{2} - \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}) + (1 - FX(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2})).

Then I could derive term to term and find fY(y). Is this OK? I'm mainly worried about the unicity of all this, due to g(x) not being injective.

For point b), on the other hand, I don't know how to interprete it. Should I consider this a problem of conditional probabilities? I mean, FY(y) = FX|-1<=X<=1(x) + ?


For exercise 2, I need a hint. Best thing I could think was that, since fY(y) = fX(g-1(y))/(g'(g-1(y))), that in both cases g(x) must some sort of logarithmic function.

Any recomendations? Thanks.
 
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first thought, have you tired completing the square, may help make it an easier transformation, though will have a look thourgh the rest
 
Anybody else?
 
notation is alittle difficult to read what are the bold 1s?
libelec said:

Homework Statement



[1] A random variable X is distributed as fX(x) = 1/9*(1+x)^2 1{-1<= x<= 2}.

a) Find the density function of Y = -X^2 + X + 2.

The problem with exercise 1 is that the functions aren't injective in the domain of X. My first guess with a) was to use equivalent events:

FY(y) = P(Y<=y) = P(-X^2 + X + 2 <= y)
FY(y) = P(-X^2 + X + 2 - y<=0) = P(X \le \frac{1}{2} - \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}) + P(X \ge \frac{1}{2} + \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2})

Then, taking into account that X is absolutely continuous:

FY(y) = P(X \le \frac{1}{2} - \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}) + (1 - P(X \le \frac{1}{2} + \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}))

FY(y) = FX(\frac{1}{2} - \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2}) + (1 - FX(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{{\sqrt {9 - 4y} }}{2})).

Then I could derive term to term and find fY(y). Is this OK? I'm mainly worried about the unicity of all this, due to g(x) not being injective.

This looks reasonable to me as you are splitting the function into 1:1 parts,

Another equaivalent way, not necessarily easier but maybe clearer, is as follows

First note range of Y is [0,1] and the function is 1:1 on the intervals [-1,1/2) & (1/2,2]

so treat the contribution from each section separately, first X<1/2, solve for X
Y = -(X-\frac{1}{2})^2 + \frac{9}{4}
X = \sqrt{\frac{9}{4} -Y}+\frac{1}{2})
then find the derivative
|\frac{dx}{dy}| = ...

the contribution to the density function of Y, from the region X<1/2
f_{Y, (X&lt;1/2)}(y) = f_X(x(y)) |\frac{dx}{dy}|

do the same for X>1/2 and sum the contributions to get the total distribution for Y
f_{Y}(y) = f_{Y, (X&lt;1/2)}(y)+f_{Y, (X&gt;1/2)}(y)
 
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libelec said:

Homework Statement



[1] A random variable X is distributed as fX(x) = 1/9*(1+x)^2 1{-1<= x<= 2}.

b) Find the cummulative distribution function of Y = X1{-1<=X<=1} + 1{X>=1}

For point b), on the other hand, I don't know how to interprete it. Should I consider this a problem of conditional probabilities? I mean, FY(y) = FX|-1<=X<=1(x) + ?
For b) i would read it as Y = X for -1<X<1 and one otherwise. What is the probability of X>1?
this the probability Y should have for being 1 (check its not one anywhere else on the X domain).

In effect the distribution for Y will be a combination of continuous & discrete - do you know about dirac delta functions?

that said its pretty hard to read similar for 2, can you explain the notation?
 
lanedance said:
For b) i would read it as Y = X for -1<X<1 and one otherwise. What is the probability of X>1?

It's \int\limits_1^2 {{f_X}(x)dx}

lanedance said:
this the probability Y should have for being 1 (check its not one anywhere else on the X domain).

It can't, because Y is X for -1<=X<1.

lanedance said:
In effect the distribution for Y will be a combination of continuous & discrete - do you know about dirac delta functions?

I don't think it's necessary, since they ask me for the cummulative distribution function, not the density function.

lanedance said:
that said its pretty hard to read similar for 2, can you explain the notation?

OK, here it goes again:

[2] Find the function that transforms a variable X with {f_X}(x) = {e^{ - x}}*1\left\{ {x &gt; 0} \right\} into a variable Y with {f_Y}(y) = 3*1\left\{ {0 &lt; y &lt; 1/4} \right\} + 1/3*1\left\{ {1/4 &lt; y &lt; 1} \right\}, where 1{X \inA} is the indicator function.

Thanks.
 
ok so for 1b) as it cumulative distribrution function can you write it in terms of a step function?
 
for 2) i haven't tried yet but would start from
f_Y(y) = f_X(x)|\frac{dx}{dy}|

also examine the cumulative probability at the change in f_Y(x) at the point y = 1/4.

as another idea you could look at how to make f_Z(z) = 1, on [0,1] as a simpler first pass
 

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