Gravitation Q&A: Earth's Acceleration & Planetary Collisions

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The discussion centers on the acceleration of Earth in relation to the Moon's orbit and the dynamics of planetary collisions. Participants explore the gravitational interactions between celestial bodies, specifically addressing how acceleration is perceived in these contexts and the conditions under which an object might become a satellite of Earth or be deflected into space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to visualize the acceleration of Earth when considering the Moon's orbit, suggesting that if Earth is stationary, only the Moon's acceleration appears relevant.
  • Another participant notes that both the Earth and Moon accelerate, with the Earth being significantly more massive, and they orbit around their common center of mass.
  • There is a query about the outcome of a body moving toward Earth at an angle, with the participant wondering if it would become a satellite or be deflected, and how to determine this using specific energy calculations.
  • A later reply provides a formula for specific energy and describes how to calculate whether an object will collide with Earth or enter orbit, mentioning the need to consider perigee radius and angular momentum.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received, including a humorous anecdote unrelated to the main topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of acceleration in the Earth-Moon system and the outcomes of planetary collisions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how to determine the fate of an object approaching Earth.

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Some calculations and assumptions are presented without full resolution, including the effects of other celestial bodies on the trajectory of incoming objects.

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Thanks for you help on the first post. I just have two follow up questions. So I understand now that the moons acceleration is part of its circular orbit, but what about the acceleration of the earth. How can I picture that? If I consider the Earth stationary, then the moon orbits the earth, and it would seem that only the moon uses its acceleration vector as centripetal. How does the Earth use its acceleration? Also, I was wondering about planetary collisions. Say a body was moving through space and then the Earth got in its way. I would guess that if it was moving straight for the earth, it would smash right into it, speeding up according to Newtons gravitation equation in the process. But what if it is skewed, so that it does not head right for the planet, but perhaps is a little bit off. Is there any easy way to determine if it would become a satelite, or would it be deflected off into space, following a new curve?

Thanks again,

Cyrus
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
So I understand now that the moons acceleration is part of its circular orbit, but what about the acceleration of the earth. How can I picture that? If I consider the Earth stationary, then the moon orbits the earth, and it would seem that only the moon uses its acceleration vector as centripetal. How does the Earth use its acceleration?
The Earth accelerates as well, though not as much. (The gravitational pull on each is the same, but the Earth is 81 times as massive as the Moon.) Considering the Earth-Moon as an isolated system, they both orbit around the center of mass of the system, which is located inside the Earth. And that Earth-Moon center of mass is what orbits around the Sun. (Of course this is a simplified model: there are many other factors, as you can imagine.)
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
Also, I was wondering about planetary collisions. Say a body was moving through space and then the Earth got in its way. I would guess that if it was moving straight for the earth, it would smash right into it, speeding up according to Newtons gravitation equation in the process. But what if it is skewed, so that it does not head right for the planet, but perhaps is a little bit off. Is there any easy way to determine if it would become a satelite, or would it be deflected off into space, following a new curve?

Thanks again,

Cyrus
Yes. Assuming it's small, and the Earth is the only other object in the universe, making things a little simpler, you measure the position of the body and the velocity of the body, relative to the Earth. The specific energy of object (energy per unit of mass) is just:

[tex]\frac{v^2}{2}-\frac{\mu}{r}=\varepsilon[/tex]
where v is velocity, r is position and [tex]\mu=3.986x10^{5}km^3/sec^2[/tex]
If the specific energy is less than 0, the object will orbit the Earth's center. If equal to or greater than 0, the object will be deflected into a new curve.

To find out if the object will actually collide with the Earth, or just orbit around it, you need to find the perigee radius. If the object is orbiting the Earth and you just need the distance rather than the exact location, you first find the specific angular momentum using the cross product of the position and velocity:

[tex]\vec{h}=\vec{r} \times \vec{v}[/tex]

Find the magnitude of the angular momentum using the Pythagorean theorem.

Then find the semi-major axis (average distance of the object from the Earth):

[tex]a=-\frac{\mu}{2 \varepsilon}[/tex]

The eccentricity of the orbit is:

[tex]e=\sqrt{1+\frac{2 \varepsilon h^2}{\mu^2}}[/tex]

After all that, it gets easy. The radius of perigee is:

[tex]r_p=a(1-e)[/tex]

Edit: And, finally, if your perigee radius is less than the radius of the Earth, it means the object is going to collide with the Earth.

Toss in the effect of the planets and the Sun, and the problem gets a little more complicated.
 
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Thanks a bunch BobG your a real pal! Hemmiiiiiiiii ;-) (I love that one where the guy tells the neighbor, yeah so I told the little lady its got a hemmi, done deal. Meanwhile, he's grillin some food and catches his glove on fire, dunking it into the ice chest, and trys to play it off by saying, thirsty? HA!)
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
Thanks a bunch BobG your a real pal! Hemmiiiiiiiii ;-) (I love that one where the guy tells the neighbor, yeah so I told the little lady its got a hemmi, done deal. Meanwhile, he's grillin some food and catches his glove on fire, dunking it into the ice chest, and trys to play it off by saying, thirsty? HA!)

Actually, I think he says it has a hemi, not a hemmi. Most people who own hemmi's aren't dumb enough to stick their hand in a fire. :smile:

Edit:

This is a hemi: http://www.thehemi.com/

This is a hemmi: http://weblab.research.att.com/~davek/slide/hemmi/postversalogr.jpg
 
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