Calculating a Circle Through 3 Points - Equations and Confusion

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The discussion centers on calculating the equation of a circle through three points using determinants from equations 31-34 found in a tutorial. It clarifies that these equations express how to compute quantities necessary for determining the circle's center and radius, rather than being a straightforward tutorial. The suggestion is made to find the circle's center by intersecting the perpendicular bisectors of the segments connecting the points, which may be simpler than using determinants. Additionally, the mention of derivatives in relation to the nonlinearity of x^2 + y^2 is deemed unnecessary, as the calculation is numerical rather than requiring calculus. Overall, the focus is on practical methods for solving the problem rather than theoretical complexities.
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Homework Statement



I was looking at the following tutorial

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Circle.html


Homework Equations



equations 31-34 o the link


The Attempt at a Solution



My question is just whether this means that for 31-34, the answers are determinants of 3x3 matricies?

Also, the nonliniarity for x^2 + y^2 is confusing. Do I treat it the same or do we have to get rid of the 2nd power by taking a derivative like in least squares?

Any help greatly appreciated.
 
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zmonk85 said:

Homework Statement



I was looking at the following tutorial

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Circle.html


Homework Equations



equations 31-34 o the link


The Attempt at a Solution



My question is just whether this means that for 31-34, the answers are determinants of 3x3 matricies?

Also, the nonliniarity for x^2 + y^2 is confusing. Do I treat it the same or do we have to get rid of the 2nd power by taking a derivative like in least squares?

Any help greatly appreciated.

I don't think the Mathworld pages are really intended to be tutorials. They are just places to look up a bunch of stuff of wildly varying levels. If you are given three points A, B and C and want to find the equation of the the circle passing through them using those determinants is likely not the easiest way to go about it. Try intersecting the line equations for the perpendicular bisectors of AB and BC to find the center.
 
Eqs. 31-34 are merely formulas expressing how to calculate the quantities a, d, e, and f, which in turn are used to calculate the radius r of the circle (Eq. 30) and the coordinates of the center of the circle (Eqns. 28 and 29). The values inside the determinant expressions are calculated from the coordinates of the three points through which the circle must pass. I don't understand why you are talking about derivatives, since this is a straight-up numerical calculation. These formulas are intended for use in a field like computer graphics, where a geometric procedure is not suitable for use.
 
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Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
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