Undergraduate book for Thermodynamics?

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The discussion centers around finding an appropriate thermodynamics textbook for beginners who require a solid understanding of the subject without assuming extensive prior knowledge. Participants mention several books, including Fermi's "Thermodynamics," Zemansky and Dittman's work, and Schroeder's "Thermal Physics." Fermi's book is noted for its clarity and affordability, making it a good starting point, while Schroeder's text is appreciated for its introduction to statistical mechanics but criticized for lacking worked examples and solutions manuals. Concepts covered in the course include the laws of thermodynamics, entropy, and real gases. Some participants also mention alternative texts like "Concepts of Thermal Physics" by Blundell and Blundell and Ira Levine's physical chemistry book, suggesting that personal preference plays a significant role in selecting the right textbook. Overall, the emphasis is on finding a balance between comprehensiveness and accessibility for self-study.
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I'm looking for a text which explains the subject very well, without making too many assumptions of the readers prior knowledge (this will be my first thermo course), but at the same time is not too light. Undergraduate level, but if possible, an 'intermediate' text.

I won't really be getting the time to solve questions as of now - I will do those later, but right now I need to understand the subject as well as I can. Emphasis on derivations and explanations.

I'm looking at Thermodynamics by Fermi - does it fit my criteria? What about the book by Zemansky and Dittman?

Some of the topics I'll be studying are : Zeroth & First Law of Thermo, Second Law, Entrophy, Thermo Potentials, Maxwell's Thermo Relations, Distribution of Velocities, Molecular Collisions, Real Gases. Please feel free to ask what about these topics I want to study if you need to.

Thanks!
 
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Hi dreamlord,

Like you, I too am trying to get to grips with the subject. I checked out the book that my university uses for the course on Thermodynamics (Finn Thermal Physics) and went to the library to get this. While I was there, I took a look at others and decided to look into Concepts of Thermal Physics by Blundell and Blundell. I have been more or less following Finn, and using Blundell and Blundell if I feel I wanted to clarify anything. The approaches taken by the two books are different, however,with B and B defining heat in chp 1, while Finn waits until chp 3.
 
^ Unfortunately, neither Finn nor Blundell & Blundell is printed locally in my country. I have an option of importing them, but it's going to be too expensive for my liking. Thanks for the suggestion though.
 
Schroeder, Thermal physics is very good.
 
@verty : Same issue. Book isn't printed in my country. Importing is an option, but I only want to do that if absolutely necessary.

@Jorriss : Yes, I considered it as well. If I had to get one out of Fermi, Zemansky and Schroder, which one would you pick?
 
dreamLord said:
@Jorriss : Yes, I considered it as well. If I had to get one out of Fermi, Zemansky and Schroder, which one would you pick?

If you had to get one of those, Jorriss would not be picking at all.

Pick the one you think will suit you best. There is no right choice (by which I mean, surely each of those books has its merits).
 
Considering I've never read those books, how do I know which one suits me best? Isn't that the whole point of me listing my requirements here and getting advice? All I'm asking for is which one suits my requirements the most.
 
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dreamLord,

I've got the Schroeder book. Overall I like it, but it has some flaws in my opinion. It is short on worked examples and if you're doing self study I don't believe there are any solutions manuals available at this time. It's a good book in that it gives an intro to statistical mechanics but I did not like it's manner of defining enthalpy and some other important concepts. You may consider starting with the Fermi book to get a good basis in concepts then jump to the Schroeder book to move up to the next level. The Fermi book is quite cheap and should give you some good basics as long as you keep in mind the symbol convention is different now. If you simply start with the Schroeder book you'll likely be fine. Maybe his way of defining things will be fine for you - a lot of this is personal style after all.

Best of luck! :D
 
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Look for Ira Levine's book on physical chemistry, its quite good and the first chunk of it is on thermodynamics. I don't recommend Peter Atkins as many would probably do.

Also I don't think Fermi's book is a book you'd read for a class on thermodynamics. But I would read it as a supplement as I think its insightful, well written and concise.
 
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DrPapper said:
dreamLord,

I've got the Schroeder book.

His post is more than two years old, and according to his profile he has not been "seen" here since June 2014. I rather doubt he is still looking for a thermodynamics textbook.
 

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