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The discussion revolves around applying the RC time constant formula in the context of a lab report involving the discharge of a capacitor. The original poster records voltage readings over time after charging a capacitor to 20 V and seeks to understand how to derive the time constant from their experimental data and trendline equation.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the experimental equation obtained from the trendline and the theoretical time constant formula. There is confusion regarding how to combine the two equations to extract the time constant, especially with multiple voltage readings.

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Some participants suggest using specific data points or linearizing the graph to find the time constant, while others note the potential for approximations. There is acknowledgment of different methods to approach the problem, but no consensus on a single solution has been reached.

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The original poster mentions a specific requirement from their lab manual to use an exponential trendline, which influences their approach to the problem. There is also a note about the potential inaccuracy of using a single data point for calculations.

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Hi, I have a quick question about applying the RC time constant formula for a lab report. In the lab, we charged a capacitor to 20 V and then let them discharge, recording the voltage every 10 seconds, up to 240 sec. Now I was asked to graph the time vs. voltage in excel, fit an exponential trendline and obtain an equation.

Homework Equations



The equation I got from my line is: y = 19.89e-0.02x

My lab manual gives the time constant formula as V = V0e-1/t , with t being the time constant.

I have to use the experimentally obtained equation to calculate the time constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



I see the V0 is very close to 20, so that makes sense, but I don't understand how to combine the two equations to get the time constant. It seems that V should be the final voltage, but I have 24 values, all of which would give a different x. I'm confused how to proceed from here.
 
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Homework Statement



Hi, I have a quick question about applying the RC time constant formula for a lab report. In the lab, we charged a capacitor to 20 V and then let them discharge, recording the voltage every 10 seconds, up to 240 sec. Now I was asked to graph the time vs. voltage in excel, fit an exponential trendline and obtain an equation.

Homework Equations



The equation I got from my line is: y = 19.89e-0.02x
I'm guessing you mean: $$V=(19.89V)e^{-(0.02)t}$$

My lab manual gives the time constant formula as V = V0e-1/t , with t being the time constant.
... they mean: $$V=V_0e^{-t/\tau}$$ where ##\tau## is the time constant.

The relation you have is for t=1s.

I have to use the experimentally obtained equation to calculate the time constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



I see the V0 is very close to 20, so that makes sense, but I don't understand how to combine the two equations to get the time constant. It seems that V should be the final voltage, but I have 24 values, all of which would give a different x. I'm confused how to proceed from here.

You can use the data point at t=1s - very sloppy:don't do this.

You can use the first few data points as an approximate straight line - the intersection of the best fit with the t axis will be close to the time constant.

Best approach is to linearize the graph ... plot y=ln(V) against x=t.
$$\ln|V|=\ln|V_0|-\frac{t}{\tau}$$ ... this is a straight line with intercept ##V_0## and slope ##1/\tau##. Find the slope.
 
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Another way of doing this is to recognize that, in the excel fit to your data, that 0.02 is the reciprocal of the time constant (are there any additional significant figures?). So the time constant should be about 50 seconds. This should be roughly the same result you get using Simon's linear plot.

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^ That's it, I just had a brain freeze trying to derive the time constant from that exponent expression. Simon's method would produce a more precise value, but my manual specifically asked for an exponential trendline so I just did that and it gave me a close enough estimate for the purposes of this lab. Thanks both of you!
 

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