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1. The problem
if {\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j} find the equation of the path
if {\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j} find the equation of the path
The problem involves finding the equation of the path for the vector field given by \(\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j}\). Participants are exploring the implications of the variables involved and the nature of the equations derived from the vector components.
Some participants have shared their attempts at deriving equations relating \(x\), \(y\), and \(t\), while others have raised concerns about the correctness of these approaches. There is a suggestion to represent the problem as simultaneous scalar differential equations and to eliminate one variable to form a second-order ODE. A more refined method involving integration of the derived relationships has also been proposed.
Participants note the need for initial conditions, such as the position at \(t=0\), to fully resolve the problem. There is also a recognition that the integration of variables must be approached carefully, as they are functions of time.
dk_ch said:1. The problem
if ##\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j}## find the equation of the path
haruspex said:You need to show your attempt, or at least describe your thinking.
dk_ch said:I wrote vel components separately as dx/dt and dy/dt . then the relations were integrated to have two equations relating x,y and t. Finally i eliminated t to get the equation. was i right?
i got eq (1) x = yt +c1 and eq (2) y = xt+c2
and final eq was (x-c1)/(y-c2)=y/x
y and x are functions of t, so you cannot integrate y with respect to t and get yt.dk_ch said:I wrote vel components separately as dx/dt and dy/dt . then the relations were integrated to have two equations relating x,y and t. Finally i eliminated t to get the equation. was i right?
i got eq (1) x = yt +c1 and eq (2) y = xt+c2
and final eq was (x-c1)/(y-c2)=y/x
haruspex said:y and x are functions of t, so you cannot integrate y with respect to t and get yt.
I would start by getting out of vectors and represent the equation as two simultaneous scalar differential equations. Then you can eliminate one dependent variable to obtain a second order ODE.
There may be neater ways.
You will also need to known the position at t=0.
Yes, much better than my way.dk_ch said:thanks , I had doubt .
May I do it as follows .
dx/dt =ky and dy/dt=kx hence dx/dy=y/x or xdx=ydy .now by integrating we can get the result as y^2=x^2+ constant. .
please confirm.