Path of a Vector: $\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j}$

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The problem involves finding the equation of the path for the vector field given by \(\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j}\). Participants are exploring the implications of the variables involved and the nature of the equations derived from the vector components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the representation of "x" and "y" as independent variables, questioning whether this indicates a surface rather than a path. There are inquiries about the use of parametric equations and the integration of velocity components.

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Some participants have shared their attempts at deriving equations relating \(x\), \(y\), and \(t\), while others have raised concerns about the correctness of these approaches. There is a suggestion to represent the problem as simultaneous scalar differential equations and to eliminate one variable to form a second-order ODE. A more refined method involving integration of the derived relationships has also been proposed.

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Participants note the need for initial conditions, such as the position at \(t=0\), to fully resolve the problem. There is also a recognition that the integration of variables must be approached carefully, as they are functions of time.

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1. The problem
if {\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j} find the equation of the path
 
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dk_ch said:
1. The problem
if ##\vec{V}=ky\hat{i}+kx\hat{j}## find the equation of the path

You need to show your attempt, or at least describe your thinking.
 
What do "x" and "y" represent here? If they are two independent variables this is surface not a path.
 
are you dealing with parametric equations?
 
haruspex said:
You need to show your attempt, or at least describe your thinking.

I wrote vel components separately as dx/dt and dy/dt . then the relations were integrated to have two equations relating x,y and t. Finally i eliminated t to get the equation. was i right?

i got eq (1) x = kyt +c1 and eq (2) y = kxt+c2
and final eq was (x-c1)/(y-c2)=y/x
 
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dk_ch said:
I wrote vel components separately as dx/dt and dy/dt . then the relations were integrated to have two equations relating x,y and t. Finally i eliminated t to get the equation. was i right?

i got eq (1) x = yt +c1 and eq (2) y = xt+c2
and final eq was (x-c1)/(y-c2)=y/x

Well that solution is not correct is it? Just differentiate it to check with the original equation (making sure to use the product rule) and you will see that.
 
dk_ch said:
I wrote vel components separately as dx/dt and dy/dt . then the relations were integrated to have two equations relating x,y and t. Finally i eliminated t to get the equation. was i right?

i got eq (1) x = yt +c1 and eq (2) y = xt+c2
and final eq was (x-c1)/(y-c2)=y/x
y and x are functions of t, so you cannot integrate y with respect to t and get yt.
I would start by getting out of vectors and represent the equation as two simultaneous scalar differential equations. Then you can eliminate one dependent variable to obtain a second order ODE.
There may be neater ways.

You will also need to known the position at t=0.
 
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haruspex said:
y and x are functions of t, so you cannot integrate y with respect to t and get yt.
I would start by getting out of vectors and represent the equation as two simultaneous scalar differential equations. Then you can eliminate one dependent variable to obtain a second order ODE.
There may be neater ways.

You will also need to known the position at t=0.

thanks , I had doubt .
May I do it as follows .
dx/dt =ky and dy/dt=kx hence dx/dy=y/x or xdx=ydy .now by integrating we can get the result as y^2=x^2+ constant. .

please confirm.
 
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dk_ch said:
thanks , I had doubt .
May I do it as follows .
dx/dt =ky and dy/dt=kx hence dx/dy=y/x or xdx=ydy .now by integrating we can get the result as y^2=x^2+ constant. .

please confirm.
Yes, much better than my way.
 
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