Wavelength of light (air vs. water)

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The discussion revolves around the wavelength of light, specifically comparing its behavior in air and water. Participants are exploring how the perceived color of objects, such as a red bathing suit, remains consistent despite changes in wavelength due to different media.

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  • Participants are questioning why the color of red light remains the same when viewed underwater, despite the original poster's calculations suggesting a different wavelength in water. There is a focus on the relationship between wavelength and frequency, and how these properties affect color perception in different media.

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Some participants have provided insights into the importance of frequency over wavelength in determining color. There is an ongoing exploration of how light behaves when transitioning between media, with various interpretations being discussed. The conversation is productive, with attempts to clarify concepts and address assumptions about light and color.

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Participants are considering the implications of light's refractive index in different media and how this affects the perception of color. There is a mention of a lack of consensus on the explanation for why colors appear unchanged underwater.

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from my notes:

red light has a wavelength of ~660 nm

I just did a question where I was asked to find the wavelength in water..

I got an answer of 470 nm.


Just curious why the color doesn't change. (a red bathing suit is still red under water)

I'm thinking the "red = wavelength of 660 nm" only applies to air, and that figure varies with different mediums.

Is this the explanation?
 
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Okay,try to look at this chick's red bikinis with your eyes underwater.Is it the same color ...?

Daniel.
 
Unfortunately, I'm currently lacking in the "chick in a red bikini" dept. :biggrin:


but my guess would be yes it is the same color..

I'm just not sure on the explanation
 
Well the only thing I can come up with is what I already posted

I'm thinking the "red = wavelength of 660 nm" only applies to air, and that figure varies with different mediums.

So in different mediums the wavelength for red is different, so maybe in water its 470 nm, and it could be something different in glass etc..
 
The crucial point for color is frequency, not wavelength. So, yes, "red" light- that is light of that frequency has slightly different wavelengths in different media.
 
It wouldn't matter any way,because light passes through a lot of optical media before hitting your yellow spot at the back of retina...And it is the frequency of the light (energy) that affects those analyzers.

Daniel.
 
Old post, but this should be clarified.

If you are looking at a person in a pool wearing red shorts, why are their shorts still red even though the wavelength of the light has been modified by water's refractive index.

As the above poster pointed out, the frequency of the light does not change (as the original source is still at the same hertz, wiggling the electrons on the surface at its frequency), but the wavelength of that specific color inside a substance does.

This can be easily explained if i can make this diagram make sense:

----light @ ~660nm----> [water, wv @ 470nm]>----as light exits water, the wv will return very quickly to 660nm-----> [your eye]

So, the 'color' of the light actually does change, but as the light is scattered back out of water, it returns to its original wavelength.

I had originally wondered why when you are inside water you don't see the color change, but once the light leaves the water and enters your eye, it is no longer being subjected to the refractive index of water, and it will speed up to the normal refractive index of your eye (which is normal color to us)
 

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