Supremum Definition and 138 Threads
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What is the relationship between the limit and supremum of a sequence?
Homework Statement http://gyazo.com/d59c730eb9b18dda4504a5fe118c7213 Homework Equations Limit and supremum. The Attempt at a Solution (a) Let : ##b_n = a_n - b## so that ##b_n ≤ 0## Now, ##lim(b_n) = lim(a_n - b) ≤ 0 \Rightarrow a - b ≤ 0 \Rightarrow a ≤ b## Q.E.D (b)...- STEMucator
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- Proof Sequence Supremum
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Using The Completeness Axiom To Find Supremum and Saximum.
Homework Statement For each subset of ℝ, give its supremum and its maximum. Justify the answer. {r \in \mathbb{Q} : r2 ≤ 5} Homework Equations Maximum: If an upper bound m for S is a member of S, then m is called the maximum. Supremum: Let S be a nonempty set of ℝ. If S is...- mliuzzolino
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- Axiom Supremum
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Can't do this supremum question
Homework Statement here's the picture and it's the second part of question 5: http://imgur.com/ybSW4v4 Homework Equations N/A The Attempt at a Solution so by intuition, I suspect that b = sup{a_n: n is in the natural numbers} If we can show that, then it will follow from...- kramer733
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- Supremum
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MHB .Proving Supremum of H: f(x)<d, [a,b]
Given : 1) f : [a,b] => R 2) f is continuous over [a,b] 3) f(a)<d<f(b) 4) a<b Then prove that the following,set: H ={x: xε(a,b),f(x)<d} has a supremum- solakis1
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- Supremum
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- Forum: Topology and Analysis
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Supremum & Infimum Homework Statement
Homework Statement Let $$S = \left\{ {\frac{n}{{n + m}}:n,m \in N} \right\}$$. Prove that sup S =1 and inf S = 0 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution So I was given the fact that for an upper bound u to become the supremum of a set S, for every ε>0 there is $$x \in S$$ such that x>u-ε...- drawar
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- Supremum
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MHB Supremum of f(x) on [a,b] vs. supremum of f(x+c) on [a+c, b+c]
Hello everyone! I'm really stuck on this one, it looks so obvious, but I can't prove it: Let $\alpha = \sup _{x\in [a,b]} f(x)$, how can I show that $\alpha = \sup _{x\in [a+c,b+c]} f(x+c)$? Thanks!- OhMyMarkov
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- Supremum
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MHB Supremum Proof Concerning Sqrt[2]
The following is my book's proof that $\sup\left\{x\in\mathbb{Q}:x>0, ~ x^2<2\right\} = \sqrt{2}.$ http://www.mathhelpboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=527&d=1356865161 I don't follow the bit where it says "if s were irrational, then w = \frac{\lfloor(n+1)s\rfloor}{n+1}+\frac{1}{n+1}."...- MI6
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- Proof Supremum
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MHB Supremum of a Non-Empty Subset of Real Nos
formalize the following definition: We define the supremum of a non empty subset of the real Nos (S) bounded from above ,denoted by Sup(S), to be a real No a ,which is the smallest of all its upper bounds- solakis1
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- Supremum
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- Forum: Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
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Understanding Supremum and Infimum: A Brief Explanation
Hello everyone, I found this exercise on the internet: find the supremum and infimum of the following set A1, where A1 = {2(-1)^(n+1)+(-1)^((n^2+n)/2)(2+3/n): n belongs to |N*} being |N* = |N\{0} The solution was: A1 = {-3, -11/2, 5}U{3/4k, -3/(4k+1),-4-3/(4k+2),4+3/(4k+3) : k belongs...- Felafel
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- Set Supremum
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MHB The Supremum of a Set is not an Interior Point
Hello everyone! Given a set A that has a supremum $\alpha$, I want to show that $\alpha \notin int(A)$. Is the following proof accepted? $\alpha = \sup A$ so $\alpha$ is a limit point of $A$. If $\alpha \notin A$, we are done. Otherwise, for $\forall r>0$, we have $N(\alpha,r)-\{\alpha\}...- OhMyMarkov
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- Interior Point Set Supremum
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What is the Definition of the Supremum in First Order Predicate Logic?
i was trying to formalize the definition of the supremum in the real Nos (supremum is the least upper bound that a non empty set of the real Nos bounded from above has ) but the least upper part got me stuck. Can anybody help?- stauros
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- Definition Supremum
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Question about supremum and infimum
Say we have a = \sup \{ a_{1}, a_{2}, a_{3}, ... \}. Then does this mean we can find some a_{n} \in \{ a_{1}, a_{2}, ... \} such that |a - a_{n}| < \varepsilon ? My reasoning is that since a (the supremum) is the least upper bound of the set, we have to be able to find some member of the set...- hkcool
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- Supremum
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Prove that a nonempty finite contains its Supremum
Prove that a nonempty finite S\,\subseteq\,\mathbb{R} contains its Supremum. If S is a finite subset of ℝ less than or equal to ℝ, then ∃ a value "t" belonging to S such that t ≥ s where s ∈ S. This is the only way I see to prove it, I hope your help :)) Regards- inverse
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- Finite Supremum
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Why Do We Have Different Terms for Least Upper Bound and Supremum?
Are the least upper bound and supremum of a ordered field same thing? If so, then why do we have two different terms and why do textbooks do not use them interchangeably. That also means that greatest lower bound and infimum are also the same thing.- back2square1
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- Bound Supremum Upper bound
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Is the Maximum Always the Same as the Supremum in an Open Interval?
Homework Statement For each subset of ℝ, give its supremum and maximum, if they exist. Otherwise, write none. Homework Equations d) (0,4) The Attempt at a Solution For part d, if the problem were [0,4], both the supremum and maximum would be 4, since the interval includes the end...- hammonjj
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- Maximum Supremum
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MHB Supremum and Infimum of $S$: $a < b < c < d$
$S = \{x : (x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) < 0\}$, where $a < b < c < d$ This questioned shouldn't be to difficult but would it be best to multiply out? And how is the $a < b < c < d$ going to affect it?- Dustinsfl
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- Supremum
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Proving a is Supremum of Set E
Homework Statement Prove that for every a in ℝ, and the set E = {rεQ : r<a} the following equality holds: a = sup(E) The Attempt at a Solution I'm not sure where to go? should i do this by contradiction that a≠sup(e) or should i do a traditional supremum proof or should i even do an epsilon...- jaqueh
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- Set Supremum
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How Do You Determine Supremum and Infimum Without Graphing?
In class, we have been introduced to the supremum and infimum concepts and shown them on graphs, but I am wondering how to go about deriving them, and determining if they are part of the set, without actually having to graph them- especially for more complicated sets.- elizaburlap
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- Graphs Supremum
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Analysis: Infimum and Supremum
Homework Statement Find the Supremum and Infimum of S where, S = {(1/2n) : n is an integer, but not including 0} Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Is it right if I got inf{S} = -∞ and sup{S} = ∞- Rubik
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- Analysis Supremum
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Questions on notations about supremum
Homework Statement In usual textbooks, what are the meanings of the notations (1) \sup_{k\in\mathbb{N}}|x_{k}| (2) \sup_{x\in [ a , b ] }|f(x)-g(x)| where (x_{k}) is a real sequence and f and g are real valued functions Homework Equations None. The Attempt at a...- julypraise
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- Supremum
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MHB Proofs of Supremum Problem in $\mathbb{R}$
(a) Let $S$ be a bounded non-empty subset of $\mathbb{R}$, and $\overline{m}=\sup S$. Prove there is a sequence $\{a_n\}$ such that $a_n\in S$ for all $n$, and $a_n\to\overline{m}$. (You must show how to construct the sequence $a_n$.) (b) Let $A$ and $B$ be bounded non-empty subsets of...- alexmahone
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- Supremum
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- Forum: Topology and Analysis
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MHB Another supremum and infimum problem
Let $S$ and $T$ be non-empty subsets of $\mathbb{R}$, and suppose that for all $s\in S$ and $t\in T$, we have $s\le t$. Prove that $\sup S\le\inf T$.- alexmahone
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- Supremum
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- Forum: Topology and Analysis
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MHB How Does Scaling a Set Affect Its Supremum and Infimum?
If $c>0$, prove that $\sup cA=c\sup A$ and $\inf cA=c\inf A$ My proof: $x\le\sup A$ for all $x\in A$. $cx\le c\sup A$ for all $x\in A$ ie $x\le c\sup A$ for all $x\in cA$. ------ (1) $x\le b$ for all $x\in A\implies\sup A\le b$ $cx\le cb$ for all $x\in A\implies c\sup A\le cb$ $x\le cb$...- alexmahone
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- Supremum
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Equivalent definition of the supremum
Hello everyone, is the following an equivalent definition of the supremum of a set M, M subset of R? y=sup{M} if and only if given that y is an upper bound of M and x is any real number, y >= x implies there exists m in M so that m >=x. pf: Let x_n be a sequence approaching y from...- submartingale
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- Definition Equivalent Supremum
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Finding the Supremum: Solving for the Least Upper Bound of a Function
Homework Statement What is \displaystyle \sup_{\substack{x\in [-1.7,1.4] \\ y\in\mathbb{R} }} \frac{2.6xy}{(y^2+1)^2} (the supremum of \displaystyle \frac{2.6xy}{(y^2+1)^2} over x\in [-1.7,1.4] and y\in\mathbb{R})? The Attempt at a Solution How do I find the least upper bound?- Ted123
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- Supremum
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Understanding Sup of Function fi(x) i E I
Let {fi}i E I be a family of real-valued functions Rn->R. Define a function f(x) =sup fi(x) i E I[/color] 1) I'm having some trouble understanding what the sup over i E I of a function of x means? The usual "sup" that I've seen is something like supf(x) x E S for some set S. But...- kingwinner
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- Function Supremum
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A working example wrt the supremum norm
Folks, Could anyone give me a working example of a sequence of functions that converges to a function wrt to the supremum norm? Thank you. -
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Uniform Continuity and Supremum
thanks!- renjean
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- Continuity Supremum Uniform Uniform continuity
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Basic problem with supremum question.
Hey guys! Revising for an exam and I've come across a pretty basic problem. Question: Prove that the supremum of the set A : { 3n / (5n+1) :n€N} is 3/5 My answer: So 3n / (5n+1) ≤ 3n / 5n = 3/5 so 3/5 is an upper bound. Now, We claim that 3/5 is the least upper bound. Take β < 3/5... -
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Solving Supremum Question: Is 4 the Right Answer?
Hello! I had a test in which the question that I will present here was asked. I got no points for my attempt at a solution. Do you think that I was still on the right track and that I deserve partial points? Here is the question: "A number M is said to be an upper bound to a set A if M... -
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Problem with supremum and infimum examples
So I've got a calculus test in a week, and I'm studying for it but I can't understand some examples our professor has given us. So, he says: 1) A = { x\in ℝ: (x-a)(x-b)(x-c) < 0 } , a<b<c. Find the supA and infA. In the solution of his example he says. It is easy to see that A =...- thecaptain90
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- Supremum
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Intro to Real Analysis: Supremum
Homework Statement Find the supremum of E=(0,1) Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution By definition of open interval, x<1 for all x in E. So 1 is an upper bound. Let M be any upper bound. We must show 1<=M. Can I just say that any upper bound of M must be greater than or...- doubleaxel195
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- Analysis Intro Real analysis Supremum
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Having a difficult time with supremum proof
Homework Statement Suppose a = sup(A) and b = sup(B). Let A + B = \left\{x + y;x\inA; y\inB\right\}. Show that a + b = sup(A + B). Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I'm honestly not sure where to start. Any help guys?- SMG75
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- Proof Supremum Time
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What is the definition of supremum and how can it be used to compare sequences?
My question involves supremums and their implications: say I have the sequences \left\{x_{k}\right\}_{k=1}^{\infty} and \left\{y_{k}\right\}_{k=1}^{\infty} and I know sup \left\{x_{k}:k\in N \right\} \leq sup \left\{y_{k}:k\in N \right\} What can I say about the sequence...- Somefantastik
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- Sequences Set Supremum
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Am I correctly using the properties of the supremum in this proof?
Hi, I was wondering if I correctly applied the properties of the supremum of a set to solve the following proof. I feel like I "cheated" in the sense that I said, "Let s = Sup(B) - epsilon. Homework Statement If \sup A < \sup B, then show that there exists an element b \in B that is an upper...- jdinatale
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- Proof Properties Supremum
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How to prove that something is the supremum of a set?
Homework Statement well, the problem asks me to find the supremum(lub) of the set A={2x+sqrt(2)y : 0<x<1 , -1<y<2}. It's easy to show that for any x and y given in the defined domain, we have: -sqrt(2) < 2x+sqrt(2)y< 1+2sqrt(2). well, from this inequality, It's clearly seen that 1+2sqrt(2) is...- AdrianZ
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- Set Supremum
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Solving Supremum of Sets Homework Statement
Homework Statement Let A be a set of real numbers that is bounded above and let B be a subset of real numbers such that A (intersect) B is non-empty. Show that sup (A(intersect)B) <= sup A The Attempt at a Solution I don't know how to start but tried this... Let C = A (intersect) B So...- Lily@pie
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- Sets Supremum
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A problem on infimum and supremum. Prove.
The problem is attached. So is the solution by contradiction. I would love to hear your feedback if my sol. by contradiction is sufficient enough. Thanks a lot.- Kinetica
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- Supremum
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A problem on infimum and supremum.
Homework Statement The problem is attached. The official solution to this problem is a proof from the contrary. I decided to go the straight-forward way. Would you check if I am correct? Thank you in advance. The Attempt at a Solution- Kinetica
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- Supremum
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Find the supremum, infinum, maximum and minimum
Homework Statement find the supremum, infinum, maximum and minimum Homework Equations (n-2sqrt(n)) n is element of natural numbers The Attempt at a Solution no idea on how to do this help please- joshuamcevoy
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- Maximum Minimum Supremum
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Finding the Supremum of S: A Proof
Homework Statement Let S:={1-(-1)^n /n: n in N} Find supS.The Attempt at a Solution Is this the right way to write the solution? Thanks! First, I want to show that 2 is an upper bound. For any n in N, 1-(-1)^n /n is less or equal to 2. Thus, n=2 is an upper bound. Second, I want to show...- Kinetica
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- Proof Supremum
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Is the Supremum Proof of 0.999... = 1 Flawed?
I know .999... = 1. I'm just arguing against this method of proof. A common proof I see that .999 \ldots = 1 is that sup\{.9, .99, .999, \ldots \} = 1, but this is only true if you assume .999 \ldots \ge 1. If you assume, as most argue, that .999 \ldots < 1, then sup \{.9, .99, .999, \ldots \}... -
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Supremum & infimum of the set of all rational numbers
Hi everybody, Please help me to find supremum & infimum of the set of rational numbers between √2 to √3 (ie) sup & inf of {x/ √2 < x < √3 , where x is rational number} -
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Supremum and Infimum of a subset of R
I do not understand how to calculate the sup\Omega and inf\Omega of a subset of R. So for example calculating the sup and inf of \Omega = (1,7)U[8,\infty) and the answer is no sup and inf = 1. I do not know how to get these values? -
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Does Scalar Multiplication Preserve the Supremum in Simple Sets?
If S=sup {Sn: n>N}, is it true that kS= sup{kSn: n>N} where k is any scalar? Thanks!- Seacow1988
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- Supremum
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Finding the supremum of a 4D epsilon neighborhood
Homework Statement Find sup{\epsilon| N\epsilon(X0 \subset S} for X0 = (1,2,-1,3); S = open 4-ball of radius 7 about (0,3,-2,2).Homework Equations If X1 is in Sr(X0) and |X - X1| < \epsilon = r - |X - X0| then X is in Sr(X0) The Attempt at a Solution This is my first foray into...- bobbarker
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- 4d Epsilon Supremum
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Can Achilles Catch the Tortoise Without the Continuum Property?
KG Binmore talks about Zeno's paradox of Achilles and the tortoise to motivate the idea of suprema for sets of real numbers: i.e. on what he calls the continuum property. But can't Achilles can catch the tortoise even without the continuum property, e.g. on a race track of rational...- Rasalhague
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- Supremum
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Proof with Supremum, Infimum, and Well ordering principle
Homework Statement We just started learning about supremums and infimums in my math proofs class. I am having trouble with the following question: Let x, y be real numbers with y - x > 1. Prove that there exists an integer n such that x < n < y. Hint--use the well ordering principle...- magic88
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- Principle Proof Supremum
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Upper bound turning into supremum
i proved that sin (1/x)<1/x prove that sup{xsin (1/x)|x>0}=1 if we say that A={xsin (1/x)|x>0} xsin (1/x)<x(1/x)=1 so one is upper bound now i need to prove that there is no smaller upper bound so that 1 is the supremum suppose that "t" is our smaller upper bound t<1 and...- nhrock3
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- Bound Supremum Turning Upper bound
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Analysis , sequences, limits, supremum explaination needed
Analysis , sequences, limits, supremum explanation needed :( So i have a question and the answer as well, but i will need some explanation. here is the Question Let S be a bounded nonempty subset of R and suppose supS ∉S . Prove that there is a nondecreasing sequence (Sn) of points in S such...- retspool
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- Analysis Limits Sequences Supremum
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