2009 F=MA Exam #6 (Conceptual Velocity Question)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves analyzing the speed of an object thrown at various angles relative to the horizon, specifically at a constant height above the launch point. The discussion centers on the relationship between the speed of the object and the angle of launch, under the assumption of no air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the dependence of speed on launch angle, with one participant attempting to derive the speed using kinematic equations. Another participant suggests that the speed is independent of the angle based on conservation of energy principles.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative equations and reasoning, indicating a productive exploration of the problem. There is acknowledgment of different approaches, including kinematic analysis and energy conservation, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of the height at which the speed is measured and the effects of gravitational acceleration on the speed components. There is a mention of the need to derive results without assuming prior knowledge of energy conservation.

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Homework Statement


An object is thrown with a fixed initial speed v0 at various angles α relative to the horizon. At some constant
height h above the launch point the speed v of the object is measured as a function of the initial angle α.
Which of the following best describes the dependence of v on α? (Assume that the height h is achieved, and
assume that there is no air resistance.)

The answer is that v is independent of alpha.

Homework Equations


v2 = (v_0cosθ)2 - 2gd
Δx = v_ocosθt

The Attempt at a Solution


Let the displacement be d, as mentioned in the problem.
Solving for v gives:
v = √(v_02cos2θ - 2gd)
It looks like the velocity depends on the angle θ, particularly as θ increases, the velocity at that point seems to decrease.

How/why is this wrong?
 
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Actually the equation is:

v2 = v02 - 2gh

where v is the speed (magnitude of the velocity) at height h, and v0 is the initial speed (at height 0). As you can see, the speed at height h only depends on the initial speed and on the height reached. The individual components of the velocity don't enter into it.

This equation can be derived from the conservation of energy.

(KE + PE )before = (KE + PE)after

(1/2)mv02 + mg(0) = (1/2)mv2 + mgh

mv2 = mv02 + 2mgh

v2 = v02 - 2gh
 
Oh ok, thanks, so I messed up the equation.
 
If you want to show it using the kinematics equations and the individual components, pretending that you don't know about conservation of energy, it's only a couple of extra steps.

We always have:

##v^2 = v_x^2 + v_y^2##, where these are the speeds at height h. Agreed?

In the x direction, there is no acceleration, so we have:

##v_x^2 = v_{x0}^2 = v_0^2 \cos^2 \alpha =~\textrm{const.}##

In the y-direction, we have a constant acceleration of -g, so we can use the kinematic equation

##v_y^2 = v_{y0}^2 -2gh = v_0^2\sin^2\alpha - 2gh##

Again, you can derive this equation purely from kinematics without appealing to conservation of energy if you don't want to. Just start with the other two kinematics equations ##v_y = v_{y0} - gt## and ##h = v_{y0}t - (1/2)gt^2##, and eliminate t.

So now, plugging in the expressions for ##v_x^2## and ##v_y^2## to the first equation, we get:

##v^2 = v_0^2 \cos^2 \alpha + v_0^2\sin^2\alpha - 2gh##
## = v_0^2(\cos^2\alpha + \sin^2\alpha) - 2gh##
## = v_0^2 - 2gh##

Et voila!
 

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