2nd order ode w/complex conjugate roots

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) with complex conjugate roots, specifically the equation x'' + x' + 2x = 0, along with initial conditions x(0) = 2 and x'(0) = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of the characteristic equation and the form of the homogeneous solution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the homogeneous solution using the characteristic equation and initial conditions, expressing concerns about the calculation of amplitude A and its relation to the right triangle concept. Some participants question the clarity of the original poster's concerns regarding the geometric interpretation of A.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and questioning the interpretation of the results. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approach, but some guidance has been offered regarding potential arithmetic errors.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the solution involving complex roots and the transformation of the homogeneous solution, while also addressing potential misunderstandings related to the geometric interpretation of the solution parameters.

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x''+x'+2x=0 x(0)=2 x'(0)=0

I've taken the characteristic equation and reduced the roots to

1/2 +- Sqrt(7/4)i of the form

a +- bi (i = sqrt(-1)


Then i put the homogeneous solution into the form of e^{}at*(B1cos(bt)+B2sin(bt))

for B1 i used the first i.c. and found that B1=2

for B2 i used the i.c. for x' and found B2 to be 1/(sqrt7/4)

now i need to get it into the form of Ae^{}atsin(bt+phi)

where A = sqrt(B1^2+B2^2) and phi is acos(B1/A)

the problem is that A is not the hypotenuse of of a right triangle. I didn't know if i screwed up my b values along the way or if i should go to the law of cosines, but i saw no mention of such a problem so I figured i may have made an error beforehand. any help is appreciated.
 
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Actually I don't understand what your problem is... :D

What do you mean by "A is not the hypotenuse of a right triangle"??, What right triangle?
 
I mean that in this case law of cosines would be required to find A

so i can't reduce the homogeneous solution by the method i was given (A = sqrt(B1^2+B2^2) , so I'm wondering if i made a mistake beforehand.

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I think you made a tiny arithmetic error, you have x'' + x' + 2x = 0, let's say the char. equation is a^2 + a + 2 = 0, quadratic formula gives us roots

\frac{-1 \pm \sqrt{-7}}{2} = -\frac{1}{2} \pm i\sqrt{\frac{7}{4}}
 

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