A basic question about vectors

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Vectors are defined as quantities with both magnitude and direction, and they must satisfy vector laws of addition, such as commutativity and associativity. While this definition holds for standard vector spaces like R^n, it becomes less intuitive in more abstract function vector spaces, where the concept of direction may not apply clearly. Current is often discussed in terms of direction, but it is classified as a scalar quantity in physics, despite its directional flow. The discussion highlights the nuances in defining vectors and related concepts in various mathematical and physical contexts. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for accurately applying vector principles across different fields.
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I've found this regular definition of vectors: A quantity which has both magnitude and direction.

On some sites, I've also found the addition: They satisfy the vector laws of addition (commutative, associative, distributive).

Is it really necessary that all vectors should satisfy all those laws? Are there any exceptions?
 
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mantrapad said:
I've found this regular definition of vectors: A quantity which has both magnitude and direction.

On some sites, I've also found the addition: They satisfy the vector laws of addition (commutative, associative, distributive).

Is it really necessary that all vectors should satisfy all those laws? Are there any exceptions?

Yes and no respectively. Otherwise it wouldn't be a vector!
There are other things that are similar to vectors, but we give them different names (like scalars and stuff).
 
mantrapad said:
I've found this regular definition of vectors: A quantity which has both magnitude and direction.

On some sites, I've also found the addition: They satisfy the vector laws of addition (commutative, associative, distributive).

Is it really necessary that all vectors should satisfy all those laws? Are there any exceptions?


The "magnitude and direction" definition is an intuitive one. They make a lot of sense for R^n, but for some vector spaces, it doesn't. There are function vector spaces, where we create rules for adding and scaling functions. For example, if f(x) = x^2 and g(x) = x + 1, then (f + g)(x) = x^2 + x + 1. But what "direction" does f, g, or f+g point? It's much more abstract!
 
Thanks for your replies and sorry about my late reply.

I was also wondering - current is neither a scalar nor a vector, right? But we say "current flows from A to B", which specifies a direction right? So it should be a vector...

And also, if it is neither, then which category does it fall in?
 
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