A contour integral frequenctly encountered

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The discussion revolves around a contour integral commonly encountered in Green's function formalism, specifically involving a summation of products of retarded and advanced Green's functions. The integral includes terms with a positive infinitesimal, epsilon, and the original poster expresses concern about a divergence in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to convert a summation into an integral over momentum and applies complex analysis, identifying poles and using the residue theorem. They question the divergence resulting in a term proportional to 1/epsilon. Other participants inquire about the details of the calculation and suggest clarifying the dimensionality of the integral.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's concerns, with some providing insights into the mathematical complexities involved, such as the issue of pinch singularities in quantum field theory. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful treatment of the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the specific mistakes or misunderstandings present in the original poster's approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the vectors involved are three-dimensional and discuss the implications of using contour integration in this context. There is also mention of the challenges faced by junior students in understanding advanced concepts related to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Need some help here on a frequently encountered integral in Green's function formalism.

Homework Equations



I have an integral/summation as a product of a retarded and advanced Green's functions, looks simply like
[itex]\sum_{p^{\prime}}\frac{1}{p^{2}-{p^{\prime}}^{2}-i\epsilon}\frac{1}{p^{2}-{p^{\prime}}^{2}+i\epsilon}[/itex]
where I have omitted the mass [itex]m[/itex] to make the notation simple. [itex]\epsilon[/itex] is a positive infinitesimal.

The Attempt at a Solution


I can convert the summation to an integral over momentum [itex]p[/itex], this is standard. Then I follow the complex analysis and identify 4 poles and further apply the residue theorem, what I get is an expression proportional to [itex]\frac{1}{\epsilon}[/itex]. This means it is divergent.

Can anyone point out to me what have I missed in this calculation? What mistakes did I make? Many many thanks
 
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hneder said:

Homework Statement



Need some help here on a frequently encountered integral in Green's function formalism.

Homework Equations



I have an integral/summation as a product of a retarded and advanced Green's functions, looks simply like
[itex]\sum_{p^{\prime}}\frac{1}{p^{2}-{p^{\prime}}^{2}-i\epsilon}\frac{1}{p^{2}-{p^{\prime}}^{2}+i\epsilon}[/itex]
where I have omitted the mass [itex]m[/itex] to make the notation simple. [itex]\epsilon[/itex] is a positive infinitesimal.

The Attempt at a Solution


I can convert the summation to an integral over momentum [itex]p[/itex], this is standard. Then I follow the complex analysis and identify 4 poles and further apply the residue theorem, what I get is an expression proportional to [itex]\frac{1}{\epsilon}[/itex]. This means it is divergent.

Can anyone point out to me what have I missed in this calculation? What mistakes did I make? Many many thanks

Hi.

Can you provide more details on your calculation? I am assuming you are doing the four-dimensional integral over [itex]d^4 p[/itex]. Then did you do the [itex]p_0[/itex] integral using contour integration and got the [itex]1/ \epsilon[/itex] term before doing the remaining 3-dimensional integral?
 
Thanks for the reply. This is simply a product of two Green's functions, one retarded and one advanced. No, it is a regular 3D integral (summation) and momentum [itex]p[/itex] and [itex]p^{\prime}[/itex] here are both 3D vectors. Somehow I know there is a contour integral to be done. But it is not clear to me how should I do it.

What I did was the following. If I perform the [itex]p[/itex] integration using residue theorem, as I mentioned in the post, I end up with four poles [itex]p\pm i\epsilon[/itex], [itex]-p\pm i\epsilon[/itex] and the final result [itex]\sim \frac{1}{\epsilon}[/itex]. The same result comes out if I convert the [itex]p[/itex] integration into one with energy using [itex]E=p^{2}/{2m}[/itex].
 
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It doesn't make physical sense if the vectors [itex]p[/itex] and [itex]p'[/itex] are Euclidean.

Anyway, as a purely mathematical exercise, it's an interesting problem, because it demonstrates the problem of Pinch singularities that sometimes occur in real-time many-body QFT if one is not careful enough, because, as you seem to have realized, the expressions do not make sense in the weak limit [itex]\epsilon \rightarrow 0^+[/itex]. Fortunately, one can prove rigorously that such pinch singularities are absent when the correct Schwinger-Keldysh Contour techniques are applied. The details are a bit tedious, and one has to use some care to correctly make sense of the distributions involved in the calculation. See my lecture notes on relativistic many-body theory:

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/off-eq-qft.pdf

(the long Sect. 2.2).
 
Thanks, vanhees71, for your explanation. Your notes in the link are a bit too advanced for a junior student. Hopefully I will get there later. Is there any chance to explain in a simplified language? To be more specific, my problem arises from calculating, for example, the inner product of two scattered wave functions built up with Lippmann-Schwinger equation in momentum space (see, for example, in the Sakurai book), where you immediately encounter the product of two propagators described above.
 

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