A hard differential equation - where is the error in my logic?

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation of the form 2xyy' + y² = 12x², where y is a function of x. Participants are attempting to identify errors in their reasoning while solving this equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants describe their attempts to manipulate the equation, including re-arranging terms and integrating. Some express confusion about specific steps, such as the meaning of certain notations and the classification of the equation as a Bernoulli equation.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants questioning the clarity of the original equation and the validity of their transformations. Some have expressed frustration with their results, while others are seeking clarification on terminology and concepts related to the equation.

Contextual Notes

One participant mentions an upcoming math exam, indicating a time constraint that may affect their engagement with the problem. There is also a reference to a lack of familiarity with Bernoulli equations, suggesting varying levels of understanding among participants.

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[SOLVED] A hard differential equation - where is the error in my logic?

Homework Statement


2xyy' + y2, where y is a function of x

The Attempt at a Solution



2xyy' + y2 = 12x2 |*(1/x)
=> (y2)' + y2/x =12x |*ln(x), 2yy' = (y2)'
=> (y2ln(x))' = 12x*ln(x)
=> y2ln(x) = ∫12x*ln(x)
=> y2ln(x) = 6x2ln(x) -3x2 + C
=> y = ±sqrt[3x2(2-1/ln(x)) + c/ln(x)]

Well, my result is wrong. Can somebody tell me the error in my logic? HELP, my math exam is on the 4th of June...
 
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Nikitin said:
2xyy' + y2 = 12x2 |*(1/x)

What is that on the R.H.S. with the vertical bar, etc? Your problem isn't clear.Assuming that your original ODE is: ##2xyy'+y^2=12x^2##
Re-arranging gives: y'+\frac{1}{2x}y=6xy^{-1}. You get a Bernoulli equation.
 
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Nikitin said:

Homework Statement


2xyy' + y2, where y is a function of x

The Attempt at a Solution



2xyy' + y2 = 12x2 |*(1/x)
=> (y2)' + y2/x =12x |*ln(x), 2yy' = (y2)'

=> (y2ln(x))' = 12x*ln(x)
=> y2ln(x) = ∫12x*ln(x)
=> y2ln(x) = 6x2ln(x) -3x2 + C
=> y = ±sqrt[3x2(2-1/ln(x)) + c/ln(x)]

Well, my result is wrong. Can somebody tell me the error in my logic? HELP, my math exam is on the 4th of June...


=> (y2)' + y2/x =12x |*ln(x), 2yy' = (y2)'

=> (y2ln(x))' = 12x*ln(x)
(y^2)'*ln(X)+(y^2/x)*ln(x)=/=(y^2*ln(x))'
I believe
 
Oh crap, I'm such an idiot! thanks, TT. In addition, I found out how to solve this, so forget about this thread guys!

sharks: I have no idea what a bernoulli equation is, sorry. I haven't even started uni yet.
 


Nikitin said:

Homework Statement


2xyy' + y2, where y is a function of x

The Attempt at a Solution



2xyy' + y2 = 12x2 |*(1/x)
=> (y2)' + y2/x =12x |*ln(x), 2yy' = (y2)'
=> (y2ln(x))' = 12x*ln(x)
=> y2ln(x) = ∫12x*ln(x)
=> y2ln(x) = 6x2ln(x) -3x2 + C
=> y = ±sqrt[3x2(2-1/ln(x)) + c/ln(x)]

Well, my result is wrong. Can somebody tell me the error in my logic? HELP, my math exam is on the 4th of June...

\frac{d}{dx}(x y^2) = 2 x y y' + y^2.

RGV
 
Nikitin said:
I have no idea what a bernoulli equation is


Then just find out!
 

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