A question in communication systems and signals

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to communication systems and signals, specifically focusing on the Fourier series of a triangular wave and the behavior of harmonics in relation to band pass filters. Participants are exploring the implications of these concepts on the frequencies that can pass through given filters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in approaching the problem and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant references the Fourier series of a triangular wave, noting that it contains only odd harmonics, specifically mentioning the first three components at 700KHz, 2100KHz, and 3500KHz.
  • The same participant argues that combinations of these frequencies (f1 +/- f2 and 2f1 +/- f2) do not yield a base frequency of 50KHz or 210KHz, suggesting that no summation or subtraction of harmonics will achieve this.
  • A different participant points out that a filter has a pass band from 175KHz to 225KHz and questions which odd harmonic of 700KHz could pass through this band.
  • This participant concludes that none of the odd harmonics would pass through the filter.
  • Another reply confirms the absence of frequency mixing and acknowledges a correction to their earlier post regarding the lack of 2f1 - f2 interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the odd harmonics of the triangular wave will not pass through the specified band pass filter. However, the discussion includes varying interpretations of the implications of frequency combinations and the behavior of the filters.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interactions of harmonics and the effects of the filters, indicating that the problem may involve complex frequency relationships that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hello.
I have problem approaching the attached question and understanding how to solve it. I desperately need some help here. :confused:
Thanks! :smile:
 

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I looked up the Fourier series of triangular wave, it looks like it contain only odd harmonics:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FourierSeriesTriangleWave.html

The first 3 components are 700KHz, 2100KHz, 3500KHz. First check f1 +/- f2 will not get to anywhere close. 2f1 +/- f2 will give DC in one case and over 700KHz in other...So I don't think the is any adding or subtracting will get the base frequency down at 50KHz or 210KHz. The reason I don't think so only because you can have all the permutations of summing and subtracting of harmonics and my head spin from thinking about it. I just did f1 +/- f2 and 2f1 +/- f2 and you can do the rest if you like!

The other clue is there are two band pass filter in series, one at 50KHz and the other at 210KHz. they filter out each other's pass frequency!

So my guess is nothing comes out!
 
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The filter has a pass band from 175 KHz to 225 KHz.

So which odd harmonic of 700 KHz will pass through this band?

None of them would
 
vk6kro said:
The filter has a pass band from 175 KHz to 225 KHz.

So which odd harmonic of 700 KHz will pass through this band?

None of them would

Yeh, you are right, there is no mixing of the frequency, so there is no 2f1 - f2 stuffs at all. I corrected my post.
 

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