A student holding weights angular momentum problem

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The problem involves a student on a rotating stool holding weights, and it requires calculating the final angular speed and the change in mechanical energy after the weights are pulled in. The moment of inertia of the student and stool is considered constant, excluding the weights, which can cause confusion since pulling the weights in changes the overall moment of inertia. The discussion clarifies that the problem simplifies by treating the student's arms as massless and focusing on the conservation of angular momentum. To solve the problem, one must calculate the initial moment of inertia with the weights extended, then apply conservation principles to find the new angular speed after the weights are pulled in. Understanding these concepts is crucial for accurately solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


A student sits on a rotating stool holding two weights, each of mass 10 kg. When his arms are extended horizontally, the weights are 1 m from the axis of rotation and he rotates with an angular speed of 3 rad/s. The moment of inertia of the student plus the stool is 8 kg*m^2 and is assumed to be constant. If the student pulls the weights horizontally to 0.3 m on the rotation axis calculate (a) the final angular speed of the system and (b) the change in the mechanical energy of the system.



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I am not sure how to attempt this problem because I am confused by the statement "The moment of inertia plus the stool is assumed to be constant. " I thought that if the student brings its arms in it will change its moment of inertia so it can't be constant?
 
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BrainMan said:
I am not sure how to attempt this problem because I am confused by the statement "The moment of inertia plus the stool is assumed to be constant. " I thought that if the student brings its arms in it will change its moment of inertia so it can't be constant?

I think what it means is that the stool and student (NOT including the weights) have a constant moment of inertia.

Yes, the moment of inertia will change when the student extends his arms, even without weights, but the problem is basically telling you to ignore that.
 
It is an approximation (assume student's arms are massless).
 
Note - the student performs internal work when pulling in the weights, and this internal work is the source of the increase in mechanical energy of the system. It's possible to calculate the work performed using calculus, but the math is simpler if the problem is approached based on the fact that angular momentum is conserved.
 
Nathanael said:
I think what it means is that the stool and student (NOT including the weights) have a constant moment of inertia.

Yes, the moment of inertia will change when the student extends his arms, even without weights, but the problem is basically telling you to ignore that.
So how should I approach this problem?
 
BrainMan said:
So how should I approach this problem?

You need to find the moment of inertia of the weights at a distance of 1m, then add it to the moment of inertia of the student+stool (which is said to be 8) then use that to find the angular momentum

Then use conservation of angular momentum (you'll need to also find the new moment of inertia when the weights are at a distance of 0.3m)
 
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